Thoughts on ANW

[RiderLeangle]

Well I'll definitely look out for it in the rerun or the upload or whatever comes first.. either way I think this needs posted
rapidshare.com/files/319699953/G4fail3.mp3

[davidcampbell]

Dec 19, 2009 23:36:45 GMT -5 RiderLeangle said:

I think you're forgetting about Travis
(BTW. David.. you should have told him to check the parking lot for trampolines)

Haha, no I DID tell him that!
He said he searched the parking lot but found nothing....after his run he walked into the massage tent and saw the trampoline leaning against a wall!!!!!

[arsenette]

LOL that's epic... so he found it but it wasn't put up? I wonder if they ever set it up at all...

[bigblind168]

Dec 20, 2009 2:21:50 GMT -5 davidcampbell said:

Dec 19, 2009 23:36:45 GMT -5 RiderLeangle said:

I think you're forgetting about Travis
(BTW. David.. you should have told him to check the parking lot for trampolines)

Haha, no I DID tell him that!
He said he searched the parking lot but found nothing....after his run he walked into the massage tent and saw the trampoline leaning against a wall!!!!!

Its offical, TBS has a deep seeded hate for David Campbell and family.

also Travis's problem was tht he didnt extend his right leg far enough. jaw dropping failure.

[rcplanes59]

Well maybe if the JS was set up right at ANW he would have been okay. But can we go to Paul Darnell? I didn't think he would make it as far as he did in the course, and it was a very heartbreaking failure at the HPA. Not only did he whiff the platform (how do you do that anyway?) but sprained his ankle in the process.

[arsenette]

Dec 19, 2009 23:42:27 GMT -5 RiderLeangle said:

Dec 19, 2009 23:39:33 GMT -5 arsenette said:

They showed Nagano going up the .. ladder..

But where in the broadcast was that?

Sent ya the clip if you wanted to host it Its was during the first minute of the 7th episode.

[RiderLeangle]

Dec 20, 2009 2:21:50 GMT -5 davidcampbell said:

Dec 19, 2009 23:36:45 GMT -5 RiderLeangle said:

I think you're forgetting about Travis
(BTW. David.. you should have told him to check the parking lot for trampolines)

Haha, no I DID tell him that!
He said he searched the parking lot but found nothing....after his run he walked into the massage tent and saw the trampoline leaning against a wall!!!!!

Did you at least tell him he should do a quick test because of how different the trampoline is?

Dec 20, 2009 2:57:37 GMT -5 bigblind168 said:

Dec 20, 2009 2:21:50 GMT -5 davidcampbell said:

Travis's problem was tht he didnt extend his right leg far enough. jaw dropping failure.

If I remember correctly it looked like his problem was more with the walls. he seemed to have enough height.


EDIT: Oh.. now I know what you mean

[GregPuciato]

as for how many of us feel about how g4 put this together, i disagree with a lot of the things that have been said.

-i don't think obstacles from stage 3 have any place in a sasuke trial (pm me if you'd like to discuss it)

-having elimination based on time is necessary; even the finalists from ANW are timing out on the real course - we need faster competitors

-i like david, but what happened to him (and other finalists) was not unfair - it was 100% necessary. you shouldn't be in Sasuke if you have no stamina

I DO think that having simultaneous runs, like in a couple past Sasuke trials, would be cool. I ALSO agree that having the entire course in the beginning would have been a better idea

my biggest thing (other than their sasuke 23 footage and the frequency of commercial breaks) was how watching other people run the obstacles was essential to success. It would be much more fair/interesting if the competitors weren't allowed to watch anybody attempt the course, forcing them to wing it. I don't see how that's realistcally feasible though.

i loved the strength training-focused thing as the final.

[TCM]

If anything, the finals should've went first, THEN use the Sasuke-esque course for the finals. Beat the course in the set time, you're Sasuke-bound, if more than 10 pass, fastest times win.

[arsenette]

Hey Greg welcome back

The part with David that I remember hearing from the grapevine was that the rules were not set in place and not everyone followed it. I have to see still the part 6 to see how they edited it but I was led to believe the only thing you were not allowed to touch was the tire if you tripped. David didn't touch the tire but was forced to go back by one linejudge who didn't know the rules either. He decided to be safe and follow the judge. Any questions asked before the run as to specifics of what you can and cannot do were pushed off because they were worried they would run out of light for the taping. Those times were added to the times from before .. which is totally retarded.. those shouldn't have to be added to make a final time. That doesn't belong in Sasuke at all. What you did in stage 1 or 2 shouldn't be added to stage 3. You could go BUTT Slow in the final in ANW but still make it because you had a faster time in a previous run? That's retarded. I'm sure David tripped because he was going fast to get a fast time since that was the name of the game in ANW. The other went a hell of a lot slower so they wouldn't trip and made it because they were cautious. Of course.. that isn't how Sasuke is run and that whole entire final doesn't even fly in Sasuke to begin with so it's difficult to b**** about something to retarded.

Timed things. There was no "set" time to beat. An open ended time trial doesn't make sense in a lot of ways. In Sasuke you have such and such time to beat. If you made it with 30 seconds left or .01 seconds left.. you cleared it and those scores are wiped off and you start brand new in the next stage.

The 2 day thing killed the Qualifiers for me. Anyone running in Day 2 had the full night's rest benefit of literally sleeping and thinking of EXACTLY how you were going to beat the course. Map out strategy and whatnot. In Sasuke AND Sasuke trials you don't. You see it once... watch the earlier guys make mistakes and your turn is coming up quickly. Again.. with less people and actually organized so you know exactly when you are running you can organize a trials. G4 and Pilgrim I hope took notes and paid attention.

[scnoi1217]

The thing is though, with that much scale of just, "let's get as many people to try out the course as we can", that was gonna happen. Heck, look at Monster 9's first attempt at the Trials. The SASUKE 13 trials happened over several months if I recall correctly and 224 people attempted the course. People knew what the course was, because it was exactly like SASUKE 11's course. I don't mind the scale of it all, just a few things need to change:

1. Either have a smaller pool of people with a relatively easy course (like the Trials in Japan found today).

or...

2. Have hundreds of people attempt, but make the course HARD, very hard. Have a realistic version of the Jumping Spider, Warped Wall, Slider Jump, etc. with a strict time limit. That way, only a select few are even clearing the course.

And technically, if the SASUKE 13 Trials course was easier, and more cleared, then it would have come down to time as well. People who failed the Tarzan Rope (intentionally or not) with 5-10 seconds left got a higher ranking than those who timed out on the obstacle.

[RiderLeangle]

Yeah, the finals rules were pretty much that, bulls**t. They explained the rules at the beginning of each event. For the first round you had to just get the cinder blocks and bring them back, when they actually did them they said you had to set them up in order, A couple of people (I think Joop was one of them) did what the original rules said, thought they were done, then had to set them up in order before they could finish.

Second round was even more of a bulls**t thing. First they said they have to Army Crawl under the cargo net when most people did a Gyakso Conveyor method and it was legal (although I wouldn't want to crawl on my arms in sand, then again hands ain't much better).

The log thing didn't make sense at all. The way they said it to me sounded like you were supposed to do them like a certain Kunoichi 7/Sasuke 21 Trial obstacle (which the real name of I can't remember and except for This Demotivator I hate using the G4 name) but most people walked in between them and one guy (I can't remember who, sorry XD) had to restart from doing what pretty much looked like the same thing everyone else did.
And the tire thing was the biggest BS in rules of all. They said you have to use each tire and you can't touch the tires with your hands. Well David had to restart from touching the SAND with his hand which isn't the tires, and Travis used his wrist and was allowed to continue (No offense to Travis, but that seems like a bit of a double standard).

As for the Open and Semi-Trials course G4 should have done three things..
1: Had a real time limit on it and not just the other guys time. Of the 7 who didn't pass stage 1 5 of them had timed out (and Travis had a break in his concentration because of the trampoline and Paul landed in a way that he injured himself and was too far to the side).

2: Have different courses for both the open and semis and did it all in one day. Doing it in two days gave an unfair advantage of planning and having EVERYONE see the rest of the course gives alot of time for planning.
And also having the semi finals re-running the first part with a few new obstacles isn't fair either because you know EXACTLY what to expect and how to do all those obstacles. That's like if Sasuke had the second stage being re-run the first stage although this time go down the pole and then walk a few feet forwards and do the Wall Lifting and you're done.

3: Have an ACTUAL Sasuke course there instead of the watered down thing they had, alot of people used a two footed method on the huge carpetted steps, they wouldn't last on the real Rokudantobi or even Godantobi, the only way they'd survive the Junidantobi (had somehow they made it) would be because of how close together they are.
The "Spider Wall" (they could call it Spider Walk, they could call it Jumping Spider, but they didn't use either...) didn't need the trampoline, so for ANW 2 make a REAL Jumping Spider. And they used wood instead of plexiglass for the Spider Walk portion and as we saw most of the competitors had trouble with the grip on the real one. would it kill you to have a shorter but more accurate version? I mean even if you have trouble affording plexiglass you can find it cheap pretty easily, just find an unguarded excalator and have some REALLY fast workers!
The Pipe Slider should have had a longer bar so it wasn't as unfair, and maybe have a jump and put it in later? Hell.. if you want to use that track peice THAT badly cut one level off so it's 3 levels and set it up as a Log Grip (although I think the dropping pipe slider is a good idea), or better yet turn it around and make you jump up.
The wall had too long of a runup and when most of the competitors got to the real one they had trouble getting up it.
Tarzan Jump and Jumping Bars were OK although they seemed out of place kind of, the net climb seemed like they were trying to mix the final stage and the end of the first stage, Maybe they could go back to the stoppers and the angled pipe slider track idea and make it a slider jump with a hanging cargo net climb after it (although block going over even though that's what you want to do on the real course).
As for the rolling barrel.. I just want to deny that thing even existed...

Dec 19, 2009 20:28:42 GMT -5 yamfriend said:

1. How did the guy who got the fastest times in both the qualifying round and the semi-finals (sorry, I forget his name ) get eliminated during the middle of the finals?

He had heat exhaustion and they took him to a hospital, even though he was released they didn't let him continue, I guess they wanted to get on with it while he was there and they didn't want lawyers going down their throat (makes you wonder if William would have hired Geoff )

2. Twelve Timbers? Where the heck did they come up with this name?

I don't know but it sounds completely stupid. I'm still calling it the Junidantobi whether anyone else likes it or not...



Completely unrelated.. Because of Paul's run I think we might FINALLY be rid of the HPA because he sprained his ankle on it (not saying him getting injured was a good thing by any stretch of the imagination XD). I mean look what happened to the Wall Lifting, drops on Shingos foot thousands of times (OK.. exaggeration but you get what I mean XD) and it remains the same, Drops on Levi's foot in 20 and they nerf the thing. OK, it always had stoppers and padding in case it fell on someone and Shingo and all the other people it happened too never got hurt from it it was still never THAT high


EDIT: I think I accidentally ranted XD
But to sum it up..
rapidshare.com/files/319699953/G4fail3.mp3

[chackpop]

So the Jyundantobi translated to English means "Twelve Timbers?

I learned something new today

[arsenette]

No.. it literally means 12 steps iirc.

[RiderLeangle]

Dec 20, 2009 20:28:00 GMT -5 arsenette said:

No.. it literally means 12 steps iirc.

Yes it does
Ju = Ten
Ni = Two

I'm not sure the EXACT translation of "Dantobi" means but if the Godantobi is the Quintuple Steps by G4 and Go means 5, and the Rokudantobi is Sextuple Steps by G4 and Roku means 6, that tells you Dantobi does NOT mean "Timbers"

[jfeathe]

About the suing remark Rider made, even though it's probably just coincidence, it's pretty accurate.

Americans are sue happy.

And about David's run, I was positive he didn't touch the ground and was startled to see him go back (especially since someone did the same thing.)

[japantv1210]

I personally liked ANW and thought that it was a huge step in the right direction. However, I thought there were several things they could improve on to make it even better. I would change the format to make the results more unpredictable. I felt they did this better in the later episodes, but towards the end of the prelimary round, all they really showed were clears, making the viewing kind of dull. I also feel they should make the obstacle course video qualifications only. That way, it would be much more organized, allowing the dedicated people who submitted a video an actual chance to compete, and it would also guarantee that the people competing actually know what Sasuke is to an extent haha. I agree with what many have said so far about the obstacle course having a set time limit instead of the fastest times moving on, having some of the staple second and third stage obstacles in there, etc. I actually liked the brick building thing though. I thought it was a great test of endurance and stamina. Even Levi was pretty winded after it haha. I didn't like their little mini obstacle course though. I thought the rules for it weren't clear or enforced right. These are just some of the things that I felt could be improved on for the next competition.

[Deleted]

I thought it was fine.

Just... less people go to japan.

I like the open course though, and I don't mind that its easier than the real thing.


One thing though, they should have the first few obstacles be stationary (I.E. no obstacles where you have to reset them), that way they can move along to the next competitor faster. They should've put the Tarzan Rope further back.

[supersheep]

Junidantobi means 12 steps jump.

[davidcampbell]

Dec 19, 2009 22:31:46 GMT -5 rodprime79 said:

Dec 19, 2009 22:25:26 GMT -5 Ninja Chris said:

One time I saw a mini-course that 4 people ran at the same time

They should've done that for ANW's first round. Probably would've made it more interesting and less repetitive.

Anything where people are running side by side is a bad idea for 2 reasons, 1st you're being judged based on how well you do in comparison to someone else, so if you run against a slow person you're golden, but if you run against a fast person you're f***ed.
(like ANC2 when Mark had the 2nd fastest time, but because he was running against Levi who had the first fastest he got screwed.)
and 2nd two side by side courses are never going to be completely identical and when you're jugjing people basted on hundredths of seconds that matters!