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Post by arsenette on Sept 23, 2008 13:35:48 GMT -5
Sasuke 21 marked the change to the Wall Lift by quite a bit. Gone are the days if you were not strong enough.. the wall would land at your feet (in some cases RIGHT on your stomach).. Shingo Yamamoto was famous for 2 reasons.. Once.. he got his feet stuck underneath the last wall but managed to get through.. ANOTHER time he got his foot stuck and couldn't get it out in time to touch the button only to time out on the Second Stage...
Last year an American (Levi) got stuck underneath the wall lift's last wall and they changed it for fear of a lawsuit for future competitors who are not as kind (G4 did not complain).
Do you think the change was fair for everyone? Do you like the new wall lift.. Do you hate the wall lift? (or like me.. do you hate the reason why they did it NOW...)
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Post by arsenette on Sept 23, 2008 13:36:37 GMT -5
I voted poor Shingo because he could have benefitted from the change YEARS ago.. I hate the new one personally.. it's no longer a challenge since you can just scoot yourself under there with almost no penalty.. and I hate the reason why they changed it...
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Post by obakemono on Sept 23, 2008 14:27:58 GMT -5
Good change. Takes out the needless risk of injury and doesn't really make it much easier. It's harder now anyway, what with the Salmon Ladder draining your arms.
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Post by Jhonsun on Sept 23, 2008 14:53:31 GMT -5
I'm torn on it. It's a more authentic challenge when you have to lift it from off the ground and this new one gives you plenty of handhold leverage that the old one didn't have. On the other hand, I'd hate for there to be a series-canceling injury like with Kinniku Banzuke. I guess the only thing they can do is find the likeliest places where that could happen. It's a good point though: why now?
My only consolation is that with the addition of the Salmon Ladder, the Wall Lift has gotten a lot more challenging (even in it's modified form) toward the end of the stage than it used to be. I haven't seen many people speed through there after the Salmon Ladder gets through with them (Nagano looked pretty strong this time around though).
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 23, 2008 14:56:06 GMT -5
You barely have to lift it now and you can get a grip much easier, it wasn't much of a danger before because it had the stoppers and the padding so you didn't take a hit anyways, so I think all it did was make it easier, not safer.
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Post by SuperTiger on Sept 23, 2008 15:03:30 GMT -5
I think its good for safety, but they should make it heavier
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Post by arsenette on Sept 23, 2008 15:05:01 GMT -5
Agreed with Rider on this one. It had padding as even Levi mentioned in the post show of ANC2/Sasuke 20. LOL Jhonsun.. wasn't it funny to see him just lift it over his head each time almost as if to say K.M.A.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Sept 23, 2008 15:06:07 GMT -5
I think it was a good change. This way we don't have any unnecessary injuries there. Plus the walls are still heavy, Takeda even had trouble with it, so it didn't really make it easier that much.
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Post by talledega7 on Sept 23, 2008 15:32:05 GMT -5
Padded or not, raised or not, that third wall is still 110 pounds. That's enough to give the unprepared person a hernia. I agree that Shingo could have used that type of change years ago, but hindsight is always 20/20.
I vote "don't care, its still heavy" with the added enjoyment of Nagano just heaving those things.
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Post by japantv1210 on Sept 23, 2008 15:34:37 GMT -5
Yea, when Takeda got there and was struggling a bit, I thought they might've made the walls heavier or something. I didn't ever remember him struggling there before. I think that this change makes the obstacle safer, but it also makes it easier due to the fact that you can grip the wall completely as soon as you begin lifting. It is still hard though.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 23, 2008 15:34:55 GMT -5
Aahahahha yeah Talledega Which is why I made the poll as it is. Poor Shingo.
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Post by madmanike on Sept 23, 2008 19:14:33 GMT -5
I say poor Shingo. His name rhynes with Ringo.
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Post by Badalight on Sept 24, 2008 13:19:30 GMT -5
It's a GOOD change.
Te walls are still heavy, and after the salmon ladder (And the upgrade to it) your arms are going to be killing you by then, so even if you do get a bit of extra leverage it's not going to be easy unless you're Nagano.
Safety first guys ;] I'm not complaining, don't want Sasuke to become Banzuke now do we? >_>
One obstacle becoming easier is fine, the course is still crazy hard, so I don't care if they slightly make an obstacle easier.
Did they not make the flying chute and jumping spider easier in Sasuke 20? No one complained about those changes...
I'm coo with it...
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Post by arsenette on Sept 24, 2008 13:23:03 GMT -5
True but if it was good enough for.. how many years is it now? And they changed it now because Levi got his foot caught? I don't know.. I'm still angry about that. I think my main concern is that they will be dumb down the course because they are afraid of lawsuits. I just found out NO one signs wavers in Japan.. it's an honor system.
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Post by Badalight on Sept 24, 2008 13:29:58 GMT -5
Yeah, that part I'm a bit skeptical about, but we still don't want anyone getting injured here, what if that would've happend to Shingo again? I'd be pissed if it happend to him again and we'd probably be screaming at them to fix it.
Now we don't have to worry either way.
It's a realtively small change, and it shouldn't effect to outcome of the show, that's all that matters.
Hopefully they won't continue changing obstacles (Flyin' chute rope becomes a bungee cord :0)
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Post by arsenette on Sept 24, 2008 13:37:14 GMT -5
LOL a foot off the ground is a small change? People complain about tweaks and how it affects things (like the rope on the Flying Chute in 20.. eh.. I guess I figured people won't see the change as anything significant.
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Post by Homeslice on Sept 24, 2008 13:39:37 GMT -5
Did they not make the flying chute and jumping spider easier in Sasuke 20? No one complained about those changes... I'm coo with it... Yeah, I think no one really complained since not many made it to the Flying Chute - because it was the Halfpipe Attack that they made much harder that day. True but if it was good enough for.. how many years is it now? And they changed it now because Levi got his foot caught? I don't know.. I'm still angry about that. I think my main concern is that they will be dumb down the course because they are afraid of lawsuits. I just found out NO one signs wavers in Japan.. it's an honor system. Wow. I still can't believe that's why they changed it. Had it been Shingo or any of the regular SASUKE competitors, this wouldn't have happened. And even Levi wasn't worried after his foot got caught. ....yeah, if this show drives itself to cancellation, it'll be Banzuke all over again....
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Post by joemello on Sept 24, 2008 22:46:36 GMT -5
Yes, because steadily declining ratings don't factor in at all.
I like a gap, but not a large gap. Maybe 6 inches--just enough so that you don't have a couple hundred pounds of force slamming down on the ground...or you.
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Post by Badalight on Sept 25, 2008 9:53:23 GMT -5
LOL a foot off the ground is a small change? People complain about tweaks and how it affects things (like the rope on the Flying Chute in 20.. eh.. I guess I figured people won't see the change as anything significant. Yes it's a small change considering it's one obstacle on one stage out of 4... it's not going to affect the outcome of the tournaments. Why are you complaining? They just increased stage 2's difficulty dramatically by taking off time from the clock and making the salmon ladder harder, so it evens itself out, stage 2 didn't get anye asier, just the wall lift did. And it'snot liek teh wall lift is easy, either way you're still picking up 110 pounds, and after the salno ladder, swing ladder, and metal spin your arms are going to feel like jello anyway. If it's a safety issue I agree with it. You don't like the change Arsenette? Go write a letter to TBS for them to change it back, then have somebody go ontot he course, have the wall break their leg, and have the show get canceled. If that's what you want... Anything to keep the show going, I'd rather it NOT get canceled over something so little that could easily be avoided. yeah, they waited to long to do it, but better late than never. And as you said, us americans wouldn't be as forgiving if we got injured ont he course, and with constantly growing foreigners coming the change was necessary.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 25, 2008 10:22:28 GMT -5
LMAO TBS already knows we don't like it. They do ask the fans you know. And no I'm not afraid to voice my opinions. Many changes have been made with feedback. I don't believe in the scare tactics of "omg they are going to cancel".. many great changes were made (for the better) with constructive criticism. Again the reasoning behind it is what worries me (and many others like me that have voiced their opinion directly to Monster 9 - the creators of the show). Which is the reason why we know the reason behind the change.. The course should be the same for everyone.. not change because they think certain people have thin skins. This is the reason why it pisses me off about the American mentality.. if you don't like it.. sue. Japan doesn't think that way.. which is why the change didn't happen until years later.
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