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Post by scopedknife on Nov 17, 2009 14:38:34 GMT -5
Gotta love these adds. They get even better when you're talking about anime or video games. "Geek-2-Geek dating"
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Post by Badalight on Nov 17, 2009 16:15:33 GMT -5
Ignoring everything above... Using your feet would not help on the original Ascending Climb. There is no place to hook your feet and the strength required to pull your legs up would not be worth the potential rest you could get. I disagree. I've rock climbed before and even if the area is a small amount your feet help tremendously.
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Post by japantv1210 on Nov 17, 2009 16:37:52 GMT -5
Rider, I beat you two out of two times in Badalight's Challenge, and I don't think I could do that, so I don't think you could do that haha. But seriously, those handholds are so small and so sparse. It would make stage 3 so much more difficult...poor Takeda. Also to me, it looks like the original may be at less of an angle than the newer version, which would make the handholds more difficult to hang onto. It may just be the camera angle though.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Nov 17, 2009 16:40:43 GMT -5
Rider, I beat you two out of two times in Badalight's Challenge, and I don't think I could do that, so I don't think you could do that haha. But seriously, those handholds are so small and so sparse. It would make stage 3 so much more difficult...poor Takeda. Also to me, it looks like the original may be at less of an angle than the newer version, which would make the handholds more difficult to hang onto. It may just be the camera angle though. That wasn't really an obstacle thing was it? This isn't banzuke so there aren't pushup and situp obstacles XD.
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Post by japantv1210 on Nov 17, 2009 16:46:58 GMT -5
I know. I was just joking. But you never know, the producers could go insane and put the entire obstacle course as pushups, situps, and pullups, and whoever can do a ridiculous amount in a minute achieves kanzenseiha haha. Back on topic now, even though that original looks pretty tough, I could see someone like Yuuji or Nagano passing it relatively easily. They both have very good grip strength and don't seem to struggle with obstacles like that.
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Post by Oti on Nov 17, 2009 17:28:22 GMT -5
I disagree. That's not always true and sometimes it IS more of a hassle than it's worth.
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Post by Badalight on Nov 17, 2009 17:36:44 GMT -5
It's an opinion. I see where you're coming from, but to me if I can get my feet there it would help especially if I'm too tired to go on.
From past rock climbing experiences my feet have saved my butt, even when the surface area was small.
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Post by Oti on Nov 17, 2009 18:17:14 GMT -5
Well if it's an opinion, you shouldn't have presented it as a fact.
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Post by Badalight on Nov 17, 2009 18:35:31 GMT -5
I didn't. I said "I disagree". Not "You're wrong".
There's a difference. Saying I disagree implies it's my opinion.
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Post by SRW on Nov 17, 2009 18:47:18 GMT -5
They won't bring it back anyway they clearly felt it was too much or not designed well enough and changed it for something better/fairer = hang climb.
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Post by Oti on Nov 17, 2009 18:54:42 GMT -5
Isn't that against the point of stage three, though? We want unfair, deadly obstacles!
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Post by SRW on Nov 17, 2009 20:23:55 GMT -5
from a tv viewer point of view not really - otherwise we will keep having sasuke 19 - 20 results and while it was entertaining once for shock value we don't want to see the course made so no one has a hope of getting close to winning again.
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Post by yamfriend on Nov 17, 2009 20:36:19 GMT -5
I just thought something: would the parts to hang on for the Sending Climber even big enough to function as footholds as well?
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Post by Oti on Nov 17, 2009 20:56:01 GMT -5
We wouldn't, SRW. This would be in stage three.
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Post by Badalight on Nov 19, 2009 10:06:05 GMT -5
Stage is becoming too easy. We sholdn't be having a final stage every single time. And both Nagano and Kanno made stage 3 look like a cake walk. They didn't even look tired when finishing.
It definately needs a few new key obstacles.
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Post by supersheep on Nov 19, 2009 13:36:17 GMT -5
The reason stage 3 is looks so easy is that so many obstacles now are technique obstacles rather than strength obstacles.
Body prop and Curtain cling as we've all establish are way harder than Globes or Steps.
Globes have a certain technique that everybody figured out way back in Sasuke 9-12 and really dont present much of a challenge. Shin-Cliffhanger, lets face it, everyone has pretty much figued it out. The only people that fail it now are ones that flat out dont know how to do it. Jumping Bars also technique, everyone has gotten that one down. Spider Flip same thing, it has a specific technique that isn't too hard to do once its figured out, kind of reminds me of the Devil Swing, it seemed impossible till everyone figured it out, then it was almost unfailable.
I'm not saying all these obstacles are EASY, its just if you really know what you're doing, you make make them look easy with the right technique. I can remember back when even great competitors like Takeda would finish the Body Prop and look exhausted, Stage 3 is really missing something like that.
I think if they were to bring back the Ascending Climb, it should go near the beginning of the course, not the end. I made a nice combination of Globe Grasp + Hang Climbing obstacle and it was much more draining than anything they have now.
I think a better obstacle instead of a rock climbing wall at that angle, drill holes into the board starting at first big enough for all 4 fingers and getting smaller as you go up. This is much tougher and would be a great 3rd obstacle, especially in combination with something like the Globes or a descening board at the end. That kind of obstacle would be great cause theres really no technique for that you can master, just you have to grind it out and make it to the other side, which is what i think stage 3 should be about.
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Post by SRW on Nov 19, 2009 18:31:41 GMT -5
The Ascending climb would not make much difference anyway and if you take into account they seem to be really wanting a winner now and rumours arife this will be the last sasuke they will do everything in their power to try and get a winner. Making stage 3 harder again will not be part of this plan...
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Post by The Chief on Nov 19, 2009 18:39:00 GMT -5
The reason stage 3 is looks so easy is that so many obstacles now are technique obstacles rather than strength obstacles. Body prop and Curtain cling as we've all establish are way harder than Globes or Steps. Globes have a certain technique that everybody figured out way back in Sasuke 9-12 and really dont present much of a challenge. Shin-Cliffhanger, lets face it, everyone has pretty much figued it out. The only people that fail it now are ones that flat out dont know how to do it. Jumping Bars also technique, everyone has gotten that one down. Spider Flip same thing, it has a specific technique that isn't too hard to do once its figured out, kind of reminds me of the Devil Swing, it seemed impossible till everyone figured it out, then it was almost unfailable. I'm not saying all these obstacles are EASY, its just if you really know what you're doing, you make make them look easy with the right technique. I can remember back when even great competitors like Takeda would finish the Body Prop and look exhausted, Stage 3 is really missing something like that. I think if they were to bring back the Ascending Climb, it should go near the beginning of the course, not the end. I made a nice combination of Globe Grasp + Hang Climbing obstacle and it was much more draining than anything they have now. I think a better obstacle instead of a rock climbing wall at that angle, drill holes into the board starting at first big enough for all 4 fingers and getting smaller as you go up. This is much tougher and would be a great 3rd obstacle, especially in combination with something like the Globes or a descening board at the end. That kind of obstacle would be great cause theres really no technique for that you can master, just you have to grind it out and make it to the other side, which is what i think stage 3 should be about. So, you want the obstacles in your Sim Sasuke? And the Underside of Death?
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Post by supersheep on Nov 19, 2009 18:44:36 GMT -5
It's just a suggestion for improvement. I'm just saying that most of the current stage 3 obstacles are flawed, and they need to go in a new direction, not revive something from the past. They tried that with the Kudari Rampu Graspa, and we've all seen how well thats worked. 14/14 passes.
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Nov 19, 2009 19:47:54 GMT -5
They tried that with the Kudari Rampu Graspa, and we've all seen how well thats worked. 14/14 passes. That's only the second obstacle, whereas in the past it was the third.
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