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Post by wolf4537 on Sept 20, 2008 22:41:02 GMT -5
So what do you think about the fact that the Salmon ladder is heavier? I think it made it harder but not by a lot but I wanna know if there's any possible way to pull an Okuyama again because there are now weights on the side that seem to help glide along on the stick slider.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 20, 2008 23:09:04 GMT -5
I think Okuyama was the first and last Stick Slider failure but they should make those rings a bit bigger just to be 100% sure. I think Nagano should have just went instead of worrying about sliding off the rails.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Sept 20, 2008 23:24:09 GMT -5
It's impossible to pull an Okuyama again, otherwise a few of the Salmon Ladder successes would have failed the Stick Slider in Sasuke 21. The weights make the Salmon Ladder and that's ok. The Salmon Ladder is supposed to be "the" obstacle in Stage 2, similar to the old Spider Walk. In 20, it seemed like Okuyama, Levi, and probably Nagano (if he made it there would of) had absolutely no problem with it. So the slight increase in difficulty made it much harder. If they left it the same, I have no doubts that Levi, Brian, and Matsunaga would have easily beat it. That would make the success rate 7 for 8 on the Salmon Ladder, which would just turn the Salmon Ladder into "another" obstacle.
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Post by Badalight on Sept 20, 2008 23:32:39 GMT -5
The stick slider isn't an obstacle anymore... what the point of it if you can't even fail it now? Ugh, either make it so you can fail it, or don't call it an obstacle =p  |
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Post by scnoi1217 on Sept 20, 2008 23:43:16 GMT -5
O you can definitely still fail it. If you miss the transition between the Salmon Ladder to the Stick Slider then you fail...or if you miss the landing mat you also fail...or you can have some way your grip gives way and you fall in...
It's easier yes, but it's still possible to fail it. At least this way, it is fair if they have another Okuyama situation.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 20, 2008 23:51:48 GMT -5
I think that actually made it better, quite a few stick slider failures would have happened in 21, I mean I know for a fact Miyazaki wasn't going to make it to stage 3 with the 18 through 20 Stick Slider.
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Post by homEsick on Sept 21, 2008 0:19:50 GMT -5
i liked it a lot. were still not positive theyre even weights, they could have just been guards on the side. if they are weights, then oh well..
im glad no one will be sliding off pipe slider
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 21, 2008 0:22:05 GMT -5
Stick Slider =/= Pipe Slider.
But I also noticed the bar itself is thicker which is probably what makes it heavier.
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Post by dwizzo on Sept 21, 2008 11:51:27 GMT -5
The main difference with the stick slider now is that the bars don't move, whereas before they would move left and right and were in a "V" shape... Now they are parallel rails like the pipe slider...
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Post by Badalight on Sept 21, 2008 13:46:10 GMT -5
They still make a V shape... it's just longer.  |
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Post by dwizzo on Sept 21, 2008 16:00:02 GMT -5
They still make a V shape... it's just longer. The bars don't move though like the did before, right? |
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Post by Badalight on Sept 21, 2008 17:13:25 GMT -5
What are you talking about? The bars never moved.
The only differen is it's not as slanted as before, or maybe not even that.
You just can't fall off because they put things on the side of the salmon ladder bar to prevent that.
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Post by dwizzo on Sept 21, 2008 20:00:01 GMT -5
What are you talking about? The bars never moved. The only differen is it's not as slanted as before, or maybe not even that. You just can't fall off because they put things on the side of the salmon ladder bar to prevent that. I thought the bars moved left and right, I'm almost positive I saw them move back and forth when contestants slid down it... |
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Post by Yojimbo on Sept 21, 2008 20:03:01 GMT -5
that was on the previous tournament for sure. but those weights looked like they kept it from sliding too sideways. It was unable to become parallel with the two side bars.
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Post by Badalight on Sept 21, 2008 20:08:44 GMT -5
It was probably just unstable from the weight... it's not like the meant for it too change directions, that would be absurdly hard and unfair if you had to follow the track while it was moving...
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Post by hersper on Sept 22, 2008 14:17:06 GMT -5
I don't think the bar is heavier... Maybe 200grams or something silly like that, not like 10pounds. 2 small balls in the end of the bar won't make it that much heavier, and we don't even know what material they are. The bar seeing thicker won't say that much either. And we never knew the weight of the bar before, so my vote is it did not make it any harder.
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Post by madmanike on Sept 22, 2008 17:34:55 GMT -5
I'd have to disagree with that, hersper. If you were to run with 1lb weights on your wrist, then switch to 2lb weights, you'd notice the difference. While it's not going to make you wear down initially, it will increase the difficulty of your run.
If the bar is heavier than the last time Levi used it, it would throw him off a bit. And as we saw, it was enough of a difference to matter. With Brian, this was his first attempt at the Salmon Ladder, so there was nothing for him to base a difference from the last time.
As with the Jumping Spider from 19, a little bit of change is sometimes the only thing you need to change the outcome of an event.
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Post by hersper on Sept 23, 2008 3:42:40 GMT -5
Yeah I agree with that, but we still do not know IF the bar is even heavier. It might seem like it, but maybe it is not.
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