Kano or Yuuji?

[Badalight]

I was just wondering who everyone thought was better.

Let's look at their results

Both competitors have competed 3 times (to my knowledge)

1. Both of them lost on the first stage on their first tries, though Yuuji go a bit further.

2. In their second tourney, Yuuji made it to the final stage. Kanno lost out of stage 3 but he was close. Yuuji had an okay attempt at the final stage.

3. In their third attempt Kanno had 2 messups on the half pipe attack. Yuuji had 1 mess up on the HPA and 1 on the warped wall.
Kano made it to the final stage but Yuuji failed on stage 2. Kanno's stage 2 run was messy and he almost lost, it could've ended there for him there but he recovered. Yuuji failed on the new obstacle on stage 2, but to be fair a lot of people lost there and he practically beat the obstacle. He ALMOST recovered but the board was twisted still from his dismount. Kanno's final stage 1 was equally mediocre to Yuuji's.

recap
Both had equal final stage runs

Both had equally good stage 3 runs when they cleared

Both messed up in stage 2, but only Kanno recovered from his
Who is the better competitor?

Both had mistake in their 3rd first stage attempt

Both lost on stage 1 their first time, but Yuuji got further.

Personally I'll go with Yuuji, I believe if he didn't mess up on the unstable bridge he could've gotten to the final again. But if I were to actually vote in the poll I'd go for option 3 because they are both amazing and we'd need more results to see who is more consistant.

(if any info is wrong feel free to correct me, just don't be an arsehole )

[VenusHeadTrap]

Could you make poll options hidden until after voting, I would very much appreciate that.

You'll notice Kanno is actually more human than Yuuji when watching them on the 3rd stage. If you wanna do simple math to reach a conclusion, it's

Kanno stage 3, final stage.
Yuuji final stage, stage 2.

The better competitor.. I feel, Yuuji made the 3rd stage look easy, Kanno almost did that but the drama that followed him made it seem like it was on his last strand of enery. Yuuji was more like "There I did it. Next."

[Badalight]

I'm not sure if I can edit that...

[Lennon]

I'm not saying Kanno is better than Yuuji, but you should probably also put in the differences from Sasuke 22 and Sasuke 23. (Final Stage time difference, possible length of ring slider jump.)

I know it doesn't really make much of a difference, but they are still important facts that should be known.

But I do think that it is too close to call it right now. Give them one or even two tournaments before we can actually come to a conclusion.

[Oti]

We can't tell because each time the results will probably change.

Take this for example: Shingo is definitely one of the strongest competitors. He proved that he can kick serious butt if his shoulder doesn't cheat him out of the deal. However, other competitors constantly make it farther than him. That doesn't make them better, though.

But, in my opinion, I think Yuuji is better, although I like Kano more.

[artyfowljr]

Yuuji is better, although I like Kano more.

seconded

[quasikoz]

I'm actually on the opposite side of the fence.

I like Yuuji more but think Kanno's better.

I think Kanno is built for consistency. Yuuji is soo light and has no muscle that I could never see him complete the final stage. He reminds me of Omori I guess you could say.

[VenusHeadTrap]

Sept 30, 2009 7:46:02 GMT -5 quasikoz said:

Yuuji is soo light and has no muscle that I could never see him complete the final stage. He reminds me of Omori I guess you could say.

Do you even listen to your self?

[darkthunder90]

TBS will definitly make us aware of their little competition.

So here's the facts.

Yuuji did better at first, but Kanno performed better in the next tournament. But there were several changes between the two competitons. Its hard to say whether one did better than the other when the determining factor has changed.

What's known about the competitors.

Kanno has his strength & determination.

Yuuji has his technique and lightweight.

Its like comparing apples and oranges. Both are good for the body, but either one can be better or equal depending on the needs of the situation.

It all depends on whether Yuuji increases his muscle or Kanno increases his stamina.

Example

Akira Omori- Light weight (110Lbs?) and has technique, and even previously stated that he wasn't tired when climbing the first final stage. But didn't have the strength to complete it in time.

Katsumi Yamada(When he was good)- (150Lbs)Was considered the strongest and definitely the most determined. He was strong enough to climb the rope quickly, but ran out of energy.

Makoto Nagano- Relatively the median of the two weights (136 Lbs) strong, has technique and is determined.

(This is from a statistical and opinionated viewpoint. Some things may vary, but it should be a general truth.)

The one who comes out on top will be the one who focuses more on absolving their weaknesses.

[bigblind168]

well Yuuji has attempted: 45 obstacles in 3 tournaments, his average obstacles clear per tournament is: 15.

Kanno has attempted: 51 obstacles in 3 tournaments, his average obstacles cleared per tournament is 17.

Yuuji fails: Metal Spin (stage 2)
Kanno fails: Arm Rings (stage 3)

now that just statistics, i agree with Oti, Yuuji is better.

however, statisticly, Kanno takes the cake.

[darkthunder90]

Sept 30, 2009 16:06:04 GMT -5 bigblind168 said:

well Yuuji has attempted: 45 obstacles in 3 tournaments, his average obstacles clear per tournament is: 15.

Kanno has attempted: 51 obstacles in 3 tournaments, his average obstacles cleared per tournament is 17.

Yuuji fails: Metal Spin (stage 2)
Kanno fails: Arm Rings (stage 3)

now that just statistics, i agree with Oti, Yuuji is better.

however, statisticly, Kanno takes the cake.

Well you'd have to be assuming that under those statistics, the varying factor (Placement, type and number of obstacles) had no effect on the outcome. The thing is, we won't know to what effect the obstacles had. Was Yuuji's failure just a fluke? Was Kanno just nervous the first time?

Basically your saying that you like Kanno better and that's cool. But as to which is actually better, will depend on the outcome of the next tournament. All I said is that the better person will be the one who can overcome their weaknesses. Or, just speculating, the one who can come closer to Nagano's kind of persona.

[bigblind168]

Sept 30, 2009 16:46:16 GMT -5 darkthunder90 said:

Sept 30, 2009 16:06:04 GMT -5 bigblind168 said:

well Yuuji has attempted: 45 obstacles in 3 tournaments, his average obstacles clear per tournament is: 15.

Kanno has attempted: 51 obstacles in 3 tournaments, his average obstacles cleared per tournament is 17.

Yuuji fails: Metal Spin (stage 2)
Kanno fails: Arm Rings (stage 3)

now that just statistics, i agree with Oti, Yuuji is better.

however, statisticly, Kanno takes the cake.

Well you'd have to be assuming that under those statistics, the varying factor (Placement, type and number of obstacles) had no effect on the outcome. The thing is, we won't know to what effect the obstacles had. Was Yuuji's failure just a fluke? Was Kanno just nervous the first time?

Basically your saying that you like Kanno better and that's cool. But as to which is actually better, will depend on the outcome of the next tournament. All I said is that the better person will be the one who can overcome their weaknesses. Or, just speculating, the one who can come closer to Nagano's kind of persona.

i feel you completely missed the point.

I think Yuuji is better, and I like him more ,all i was saying is, that right now, in statistics, Kanno is better.

[Badalight]

I already factored in the differences between the final stage times.

Yes Kanno attemtped a final stage with 5 seconds less, but it's not like he got the same distance as Yuuji.

If he DID have those 5 extra seconds however, they would've been around the same distance.

So I think we can agree they both equally suck at the final stage.

[Lennon]

Sept 30, 2009 17:06:39 GMT -5 Badalight said:

I already factored in the differences between the final stage times.

Yes Kanno attemtped a final stage with 5 seconds less, but it's not like he got the same distance as Yuuji.

If he DID have those 5 extra seconds however, they would've been around the same distance.

So I think we can agree they both equally suck at the final stage....Compared to Nagano.

Sorry, I had to fix it.

[japantv1210]

I picked too close to call. I think both of these guys are great athletes and can continue to have great success in tournaments to come. However, I think that the first stage may be the determining factor between them, because there is so much that can go wrong in that stage as seen by both of their mistakes in this tournament. I feel that if both of them are to complete the first stage in any given tournament, there is a chance that they could go very far into the course. So IMO, they'll probably wind up staying about equal in success on the course.

[arsenette]

I also put too close to call considering that we didn't see how Kanno did in 20 as well. I know how Yuuji did in 21 since they showed him in Sasuke Maniac.. but overall I like them both and each has their own strengths and skills I root for them both

[BLM]

Sept 30, 2009 20:21:44 GMT -5 arsenette said:

I also put too close to call considering that we didn't see how Kanno did in 20 as well. I know how Yuuji did in 21 since they showed him in Sasuke Maniac.. but overall I like them both and each has their own strengths and skills I root for them both

In 20 Kanno failed the Jumping Spider

[Oti]

About all the muscle talk: muscle isn't everything. If I had less body fat, I could weigh around 130-135 lbs. Despite that, I would still be able to chin with 120 lbs around my waist, along with climbing great distances and other various feats of strength and/or endurance.

Just because Yuuji is small and scrawny doesn't mean he can't have some serious strength and endurance.

In my opinion, we won't be able to tell who is better for a long, long time.

[quasikoz]

Sept 30, 2009 15:29:23 GMT -5 VenusHeadTrap said:

Sept 30, 2009 7:46:02 GMT -5 quasikoz said:

Yuuji is soo light and has no muscle that I could never see him complete the final stage. He reminds me of Omori I guess you could say.

Do you even listen to your self?

Yea. I guess I don't get what you're saying though. Explain if you'd like.

[quasikoz]

Oct 1, 2009 7:25:28 GMT -5 quasikoz said:

Sept 30, 2009 15:29:23 GMT -5 VenusHeadTrap said:

Do you even listen to your self?

Yea. I guess I don't get what you're saying though. Explain if you'd like.

Basically I'm kind of on the other side of Oti's fence if you look a couple of posts up.

I think you need muscle to rope climb fast enough to get up the G-Rope to beat Sasuke. Yuuji is 5-foot nothing and weighs 113 lbs. Now, that might be great for the Cliffhanger, but he obviously doesn't have the arm strength to get up that rope (re Sasuke 22) and I think that's because of his size.

The people who have succeeded and been close to succeeding: Katsumi, Akiyama, and Nagano. These guys possess amazing arm strength to fly up a rope in such a short period of time. Yuuji would have been no where near as close as he was in 22 if he had 40 seconds instead of 45. The guy just doesn't have arm strength.

The reason I brought up Omori from the old Sasuke's is because he made it to the Final Stage in consecutive attempts. And each time he failed it was because he didn't possess the arm strength to get up the rope fast enough.

Look Oti, I know what you think you can do, but unless you turn on a camera, drop to 130-135 lbs, and THEN do pullups with 120lbs strapped to your waist, don't use yourself as an example that size isn't everything. Give us something tangible.

Sasuke's all about power-to-weight ratio and endurance. Yuuji doesn't have alot of weight to pull, but he doesn't have alot of muscle either. And that will hurt on obstacles that require pure muscle like the G-Rope in the Final Stage.

That's why I prefer Kanno over Yuuji.