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Post by Oti on May 11, 2009 3:35:31 GMT -5
Besides, the Warped Wall, as fearsome as it once was, really isn't that hard. I mean, I'm taller than most Japanese folk, I guess, but it took no effort to run up it and grab the top.
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Post by scnoi1217 on May 11, 2009 14:20:42 GMT -5
Has anyone mentioned that harder obstacles look easier because of a) experience and b) editing? While the Warped Wall certainly looked like a shadow of its former self, I have a hard time believing that only 2 timed out there and only 1 person not making it on the first try. I agree with that. While I don't think only 2 people timed out there and one other couldn't make it on his first try, I also think that experience has played a huge factor in it. People know its going to be there, and thus, people are training for it. Out of the people shown in the TBS broadcast, 22 people beat the Warped Wall. Compare that with a tournament like 17, when only 14 people beat it, so I do think experience and familiarity is definitely making this once formidable obstacle, easy.
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Post by lars072 on May 12, 2009 2:29:04 GMT -5
Has anyone mentioned that harder obstacles look easier because of a) experience and b) editing? While the Warped Wall certainly looked like a shadow of its former self, I have a hard time believing that only 2 timed out there and only 1 person not making it on the first try. I agree with that. While I don't think only 2 people timed out there and one other couldn't make it on his first try, I also think that experience has played a huge factor in it. People know its going to be there, and thus, people are training for it. Out of the people shown in the TBS broadcast, 22 people beat the Warped Wall. Compare that with a tournament like 17, when only 14 people beat it, so I do think experience and familiarity is definitely making this once formidable obstacle, easy. This is a good point. The serious competitors are using the real obstacles to train for upcoming Sasuke events. The reason that Sasuke 18-22 is so difficult is because TBS continue to make changes to the course and so it becomes hard to train for those obstacles. Sasuke 18- a total redesign of the course- 6 pass stage 1 and 3 stage 2 Sasuke 19- changed 3 obstacles in stage 1 and reduced the time by 15 secs; also moved back the Flying Chute - 2 passed stage 1 and noone passed stage 2. also made changes to stage 2 and 3 but noone got there (reduced time by 15 seconds in stage 2) Sasuke 20- stage 1 changed little except for an extra 5 seconds; 1 change in stage 2 and stage 3 had been changed in #19- 3 passed stage 1 and 1 passed stage 2 Sasuke 21- few changes and you can see competitors are now getting used tothe obstacles (especially the Flying Chute) and 9 passed stage 1, 3 passed stage 2 things look good for #22 Sasuke 22- 2 more changes to stage 1 and 1 new obstacle (Slider Jump) too out a lot of competitors because it is NEW and they haven't been able to train for it; 5 passed stage 1, 4 passed satge 2, and 1 passed stage 3- as well, there was a change to the Gliding Ring (which is actually a good thing). Sasuke 23- ? will they change things around again or leave it be? Of course changes ae needed once in a while, but the changes that were made from 18-22 really took out a lot of people who could have done better. I wish TBS would just stick with something for a while (like Flying Chute) instead of removing it just when competitors have figured it out. It's not like 20 people are passing stage 1 and 3 to the final stage. Only 10 competitors have made it to the 3rd stage and only 1 to the final stage since the course redesign in #18. Why make any more changes, especially those that are going to make it that much harder. I agree that it should be a challenge, but TBS goes too far. Thoughts?
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Post by joemello on May 13, 2009 1:35:54 GMT -5
The Slider Jump seems to be a little more "luck" than "skill," akin to my opinion of the Jumping Spider. Those will often cull the herd pretty fast.
I think TBS is still getting used to overachieving. Remember how the switch from 10 to 11 started a relative deluge of 1st stage clears that wouldn't let up? I'm betting M9 expects that in the back of their minds, even though they plan accordingly. There's nothing wrong with only a handful of people getting to Stage 2. Anything more than 10 tends to trivialize Stage 1 in my eyes.
Also, do note that the 1st Stage has never been the same layout more than 3 times in a row. Changes provide variety, intrigue, and help show that Sasuke is supposed to be the toughest challenges.
One final note: this doesn't hold that much water yet, but I think Sasuke 22 will end up being the one of the flukiest tournaments in the show's history.
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Post by Oti on May 16, 2009 3:42:04 GMT -5
The course should be harder, if you ask me. TBS did go a little overboard with 19, but I think it's almost fine now.
Stage one is finally just about perfect - it weeds out the weaklings and lets the people with real skill (or incredible luck) get through. What they need to do now is make stage two harder and make stage three damn near impossible. And for a final stage, we need a three rope rope climb.
Honestly, if David had made it past the first stage, he probably would have seen the final stage. I believe he is prepared enough to make the second and third stages look like the jokes they really are.
Think about it. Stage two is all about the Salmon Ladder which, honestly, isn't that challenging. It's easy enough to climb, even with the little weights on the ends of the pole. After making short work of it, stage two is practically behind you.
Stage three - Cliff Hanger. That's it. If you beat that, chances are you're going to the end. Unless you lack endurance or get DQ'd, chances are you're getting to the Final Ring. And, now that it slides, the platform awaits you.
And the final stage... Ugh... don't get me started on that. >.>
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Post by SRW on May 16, 2009 4:53:30 GMT -5
The course should be harder, if you ask me. TBS did go a little overboard with 19, but I think it's almost fine now. Stage one is finally just about perfect - it weeds out the weaklings and lets the people with real skill (or incredible luck) get through. What they need to do now is make stage two harder and make stage three damn near impossible. And for a final stage, we need a three rope rope climb. Honestly, if David had made it past the first stage, he probably would have seen the final stage. I believe he is prepared enough to make the second and third stages look like the jokes they really are. Think about it. Stage two is all about the Salmon Ladder which, honestly, isn't that challenging. It's easy enough to climb, even with the little weights on the ends of the pole. After making short work of it, stage two is practically behind you. Stage three - Cliff Hanger. That's it. If you beat that, chances are you're going to the end. Unless you lack endurance or get DQ'd, chances are you're getting to the Final Ring. And, now that it slides, the platform awaits you. And the final stage... Ugh... don't get me started on that. >.> Lets see you do it all then if its so easy! =)
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Post by Oti on May 16, 2009 5:32:04 GMT -5
I would absolutely love to. Just gotta get on Sasuke. Just saying, on a scale of 1-10, I'd rate the difficulty of stage 1 around a 7 or 8. Stage two and three are much lower than that, probably around a 5 and a 4 or 5, respectively. I can't be the only one who believes this.
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Post by obakemono on May 16, 2009 6:22:10 GMT -5
I think most are in agreement that the second stage is in need of a revamp, and will probably get one in 23.
As for the third stage, I think its relative difficulty with reference to the current batch of competitors is similar to 16-17, ie. there are a few with the endurance necessary to complete it, but not many. It's true that Nagano probably would have passed it in 21 if the Gliding Ring had worked as it did in 22, but the fact that he failed it before the jump shows that he would have been close to his limit, as I believe Urushihara said of himself after his run. I am in agreement that it might need a gradual increase in difficulty over the next few tournaments, but not an overhaul.
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Post by SRW on May 16, 2009 12:28:46 GMT -5
Stage 2 will have the most tweaks in 23 - the time will be slashed by 30 seconds and the swing ladder will be replaced with something.
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Post by chackpop on May 16, 2009 15:25:01 GMT -5
Stage 2 will have the most tweaks in 23 - the time will be slashed by 30 seconds and the swing ladder will be replaced with something. 30 seconds is a bit drastic. I think Takeda had 26 seconds left and he has the fastest time. It might be like Sasuke 8 to Sasuke 17, making the time limit five seconds less every tournament.
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Post by scnoi1217 on May 16, 2009 16:23:02 GMT -5
If they only change the time, then the time limit needs to be about 60 or 65 seconds. Therefore someone like Kanno has only 3 seconds left on the clock, while someone like Miyazaki would have timed out before the Wall Lift.
But, I expect big changes to the 2nd Stage next time.
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Post by Badalight on May 17, 2009 22:03:28 GMT -5
Leon: I agree stage 1 is harder than stage 2, at leat it would be for me.
Now stage 3 easier than stage 1? If it weren't for the cliff-hanger, maybe.
Final stage will always be too difficult for me because of the rope climb, but I believe I can get to the rope in around the same time Yuuji did.
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Post by Oti on May 17, 2009 22:52:29 GMT -5
The Cliff Hanger isn't that hard, though. I know you can't do it, but when you build a replica and master it, you'll see. It really isn't bad.
If you have the strength and the technique, it's a piece of cake, I promise.
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Post by Badalight on May 18, 2009 13:48:43 GMT -5
I have the technique, I need to work on the strength aspect.
Like I said, it's the only obstacle that I Psyichally can't do at the moment, and I'm getting closer everyday.
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Post by Oti on May 18, 2009 14:41:36 GMT -5
How do you know you have the technique? Can you do it on bigger ledges or something?
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Post by lars072 on May 19, 2009 7:14:59 GMT -5
For some on here who think the course is easy or should be much harder, then I hope you are prepared for 2 things to happen. 1. More of the same like #19...or worse. 2. A loss of interest, poor ratings, and inevitably the cancelation of SASUKE.
A challenge? YES! Impossible? NO!
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Post by Oti on May 19, 2009 19:36:14 GMT -5
I'm not saying make it so everyone fails.
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Post by Badalight on May 20, 2009 13:03:14 GMT -5
How do you know you have the technique? Can you do it on bigger ledges or something? Well, I guess you could say I've figured out my own technique that works, but really just watching how everyone does it in Sasuke hels you learn the technique. The obvious one that everyone uses, swing with your right hand at the very edge of the second ledge, your left further back, and on your last swing move your hands together and jump. Not a very good explanation but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. As for the regular ledges, doesn't require too much technique, but when I do it my legs just automatically do a bike peddling motion and anytime I purposely stop them it becomes harder. So I'd say my technique is good enough, and I have practiced the actual jump on my cliffhanger and made it, granted it's not near the distance of the Sasuke version but it has helped me practice the technique. Plus my ledge isn't any larger for the landing so it's sort of a handicap. I just need more strength to hold onto the 3rd ledge after the jump, and some edurance so that I don't get tired while I'm building momentum for the swing.
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Post by Oti on May 22, 2009 10:19:45 GMT -5
Knowing the technique and being able to do it are two very different things. I know the technique for a double backflip on grass. Can't do it, though.
Until you build a replica close to the real thing, please don't make it out like you know you can do it.
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Post by Badalight on May 29, 2009 12:48:18 GMT -5
I never said I can do it, I said the opposite. I've constantly said I couldn't do the cliffhanger.
I have my own cliffhanger built, and I practice technique on that. Yes, it's not exactly the same as the shin cliff-hanger but practicing technique on it still works.
The only difference is my ledge isn't slanted, that's all.
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