DonalM
Nakata Daisuke
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Post by DonalM on Feb 22, 2018 19:12:41 GMT -5
This change is nothing like 26 to 27. 26 to 27 was a difficult course being nerfed. This Stage 3 change is an impossible course being made potentially possible.
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SuperTiger
Yamada Kōji
Kunoichi-san
*meyolow*
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Post by SuperTiger on Feb 22, 2018 19:35:34 GMT -5
I think what people forget about Sasuke 27, is that is wholly unlike any other tournament with the exception of Sasuke 8. The producers wanted someone to win, so the nerf makes sense. Is it the most popular decision? No, but at the time the show appeared to be gasping it's dying breath, and M9 wanted to send it out on a high note.
Sasuke is unfortunately in a bad spot right now. I'm not sure if we're at the point where this will be the last tournament, but as TCM mentioned a few posts ago, it all comes back to ratings and entertainment. We've had three tournaments end on the UCCH/VLK combo, and that doesn't translate to good TV. I mean Idk how many posts I read over the summer about S33/S34 being essentially the same tournament. I'm not a fan of "nerfing" things, but bottom line if there's another tournament or two that ends like the past three nobody is going to want to watch. So producers have to step in. Sometimes sacrifices need to be made for the sake of the show's longevity and this is one of those sacrifices. Plus even if they do ~nerf~ the stage, I don't think it'll be as drastic as S27, and this final appears to be a lot tougher than the one we had in S27.
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Post by Messup434 on Feb 22, 2018 23:32:06 GMT -5
If that rest area is after the UCCH, I will be 100% okay with that. Because at the end of the day, SASUKE is a television show. The goal of a television show is to be entertaining and satisfying. And for the little audience it has, we need to see something in Stage 3 other than one person trying the stage past the UCCH. If you think that somehow anyone who gets past it and benefits from the rest after it demeans their progress and achievement, congrats. You just used the Yamada excuse like when he tried to discredit Yuuji after 24. And I'll even throw in 27 in there, too. I don't think it takes away from the competitor's achievement (they've still been training just as hard and making just as many sacrifices to clear whatever course is thrown at them), but it would be cool to see someone actually do it one day. ..Although, reading SuperTiger's reasoning, I do see how it could be the final nail in Sasuke's coffin to have more similar-result tournaments. Probably worth the downgrade but I still feel annoyed to see the Ultra Crazy Cliffhanger/Vertical Limit Kai Kai combo will remain undefeated (similar to the original Flying Bar version in Sasuke). Let's hope this new obstacle is somewhat challenging so that the nerf doesn't feel so noticeable. If it's something tough or creative, that'll help make the stage feel a lot better. Come to think of it, how are they adding a new obstacle in this stage without taking another out? What makes this nerf so blatant for me is that it's the same obstacles but with a huge change thrown-in to make them easier. Despite the fact that the Sasuke 27 change was even more extreme, I do feel like this is more noticeable because you can't compare the combo to having the two obstacles separate here. There's no debating which one of those is harder. Sasuke 27 was also notably easier, but with different obstacles you could at least give some arguments for how it wasn't just changed to make it easier (except for the fact that they added the Arm Bike ).
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gt4dom
Jessie Graff
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Post by gt4dom on Feb 23, 2018 2:38:01 GMT -5
Good changes, the show can only be won by one person as it is so may as well make it so he has a shot at beating the 3rd Stage! Last thing we want is another UCCH VLKK tournament finish, I think that would be the end of SASUKE.
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nekomi3
Kawashima Takayuki
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Post by nekomi3 on Feb 23, 2018 6:43:57 GMT -5
Basically this could be the end for Sasuke... at least end it beautifully... But I will miss the show so badly, and I’ve just known it for 3 years
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Post by Messup434 on Feb 23, 2018 7:05:54 GMT -5
Basically this could be the end for Sasuke... at least end it beautifully... But I will miss the show so badly, and I’ve just known it for 3 years What are you guys talking about?! Isn’t this just another random tournament? I think some of these are probably changes made specifically because Inui wants the competitions to continue
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Post by TCM on Feb 23, 2018 8:03:27 GMT -5
If that rest area is after the UCCH, I will be 100% okay with that. Because at the end of the day, SASUKE is a television show. The goal of a television show is to be entertaining and satisfying. And for the little audience it has, we need to see something in Stage 3 other than one person trying the stage past the UCCH. If you think that somehow anyone who gets past it and benefits from the rest after it demeans their progress and achievement, congrats. You just used the Yamada excuse like when he tried to discredit Yuuji after 24. And I'll even throw in 27 in there, too. I don't think it takes away from the competitor's achievement (they've still been training just as hard and making just as many sacrifices to clear whatever course is thrown at them), but it would be cool to see someone actually do it one day. ..Although, reading SuperTiger's reasoning, I do see how it could be the final nail in Sasuke's coffin to have more similar-result tournaments. Probably worth the downgrade but I still feel annoyed to see the Ultra Crazy Cliffhanger/Vertical Limit Kai Kai combo will remain undefeated (similar to the original Flying Bar version in Sasuke). Let's hope this new obstacle is somewhat challenging so that the nerf doesn't feel so noticeable. If it's something tough or creative, that'll help make the stage feel a lot better. Come to think of it, how are they adding a new obstacle in this stage without taking another out? What makes this nerf so blatant for me is that it's the same obstacles but with a huge change thrown-in to make them easier. Despite the fact that the Sasuke 27 change was even more extreme, I do feel like this is more noticeable because you can't compare the combo to having the two obstacles separate here. There's no debating which one of those is harder. Sasuke 27 was also notably easier, but with different obstacles you could at least give some arguments for how it wasn't just changed to make it easier (except for the fact that they added the Arm Bike ). You can do away with the Drum Hopper, possibly even the Flying Bar, although it's as much of a killer as the UCCH has been although the supersized notches have offset much of its lethality (which I was going to make into a point how there's only been one tournament where the Flying Bar hasn't taken anyone out even in its smaller form. We know for sure the Sidewinder is still around because it's visible from the clip of the Dragon Glider test. But sure, the stage is overall easier with separating the UCCH and the VLK, but we know the VLK is difficult enough to take people out on its own from Shinya and Kanno's failures. So while 30 seconds of rest might help, if you don't have the overall strength to begin with it doesn't matter whether you'll get to rest. But I'd rather the rest point to increase the chances. 11 people have tried the UCCH and only 3 have even made the first gap. Not to mention, this change isn't even confirmed yet. All of this discussion is under a hypothetical. The wording does not make explicit mention to the rest area being after the Cliffhanger, it's just what everyone is presuming must be where.
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Post by Kane-Not-Kosugi on Feb 23, 2018 15:43:51 GMT -5
I'm not entirely sure this'll be a nerf. I'm fairly confident that taking away the break but adding another obstacle can do almost as much damage as the combo. I think it depends on how many breaks there are before that section of the stage.
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Post by Messup434 on Feb 24, 2018 1:10:32 GMT -5
I'm not entirely sure this'll be a nerf. I'm fairly confident that taking away the break but adding another obstacle can do almost as much damage as the combo. I think it depends on how many breaks there are before that section of the stage. That’s true, if it’s another finger-intensive obstacle, you might be right! If it really is the Nail Clippers...
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Post by zoran on Feb 24, 2018 15:42:03 GMT -5
If that rest area is after the UCCH, I will be 100% okay with that. Because at the end of the day, SASUKE is a television show. The goal of a television show is to be entertaining and satisfying. And for the little audience it has, we need to see something in Stage 3 other than one person trying the stage past the UCCH. If you think that somehow anyone who gets past it and benefits from the rest after it demeans their progress and achievement, congrats. You just used the Yamada excuse like when he tried to discredit Yuuji after 24. And I'll even throw in 27 in there, too. How did Yamada discredit Yuuji
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Post by RiderLeangle on Feb 24, 2018 15:49:52 GMT -5
If that rest area is after the UCCH, I will be 100% okay with that. Because at the end of the day, SASUKE is a television show. The goal of a television show is to be entertaining and satisfying. And for the little audience it has, we need to see something in Stage 3 other than one person trying the stage past the UCCH. If you think that somehow anyone who gets past it and benefits from the rest after it demeans their progress and achievement, congrats. You just used the Yamada excuse like when he tried to discredit Yuuji after 24. And I'll even throw in 27 in there, too. How did Yamada discredit Yuuji Yamada tried to claim the Tabi boots he wore on the final stage in 24 gave him an "unfair advantage". There was a thread on the matter but don't post in that as it's very dead
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Post by TCM on Feb 25, 2018 7:49:17 GMT -5
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Post by Messup434 on Feb 25, 2018 9:53:37 GMT -5
That guy really was desperate..!
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Post by zoran on Feb 25, 2018 11:40:54 GMT -5
That guy really was desperate..! Why would he have even tried to discredit Yuuji?He had no beef with Yuuji and had nothing to gain from attacking him
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nekomi3
Kawashima Takayuki
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Post by nekomi3 on Feb 26, 2018 8:23:50 GMT -5
Good new: the new obs in 3rd Stage is not Nail Clipper Bad new:
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Post by imaadfahimuddin on Feb 26, 2018 8:44:18 GMT -5
What's the bad news?
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nekomi3
Kawashima Takayuki
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Post by nekomi3 on Feb 26, 2018 8:47:56 GMT -5
New obs between Sidewinder and Cliffhanger now. So it’s a buff to the course now :/
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Post by Messup434 on Feb 26, 2018 8:53:06 GMT -5
I find the change exciting. Is it like a Body Prop but instead of a full wall to put your hands on, you have to just use the spheres on the left side of the picture? I'm even more desperate to see this competition now
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Post by Role Playing Garchomp on Feb 26, 2018 8:59:50 GMT -5
Flying Bar and Sidewinder are first and second respectively.
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Post by Role Playing Garchomp on Feb 26, 2018 9:02:15 GMT -5
Good new: the new obs in 3rd Stage is not Nail Clipper Bad new: Looking back at stage 2 all the familiar obstacles are there so I doubt there's any changes made to that stage.
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