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Post by roy on Sept 20, 2017 6:29:49 GMT -5
Tehehehe this is why I love discussions on the subject. ♥ Yeah, Akiyama was scary good and so many people who met him and saw him in his prime always said "damn.. if he wasn't blind.. watch out..". I mean even blind he was part of the Self Defense Force. LOL He's fearless! His problem though (especially at the end) is that he trained almost all upper body and very little lower body (a critique Nagano gave a few years ago of his friend). He's always a case study on the tenacity of the human spirit and why he will always remain my favorite. Drew is special because he trains everything. TBH it's only a matter of time until he does win IMO. I could do without the cockiness but frankly a lot of ANW fit this mold and is part of the younger culture (waves my cane in the air "get off my lawn" ) I wish the old 3rd stagers from ANW had a crack at Sasuke again but sadly that's never going to happen. I often wondered how Kasemir, Campbell, etc. would have done if they continued to go back to Sasuke uninterrupted. I'm sure the course would have looked far different under Higuchi and the onslaught of the American team. I knew most of the Japanese guys were terrified of becoming obsolete next to them.. But that's another thread. HA! I'm surprised to hear Drew is cocky. He doesn't seem to come across that way in the show (but I guess it is a show). As for Geoff, I think he would have fit in to Sasuke absolutely perfectly, skill and personality wise. But I say those things without having any first hand experience with them. David Campbell is another guy I really hope gets another shot at the course. I've always wondered how the Japanese competitors and spectators viewed the Americans or specific American competitors who have run the course. There are guys like Levi who did the flips and even jumped back into the water (which I heard was received...not so well). But if you have anymore info you're capable of or willing to share on that subject, I'd really appreciate it. Or if you would prefer not to share or already have some writing done on it, that's fine too.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 20, 2017 6:41:50 GMT -5
Almost all the competitors I've ever spoken with in Japan absolutely love the American competitors. They are just happy anyone loves their niche show and love how each of those who were chosen to go are so geeky about the show as they are. Most like Nagano are in awe that big guys are so damn agile on the course and he's happy he's retired because he can't hang with them. Aahahahaha He loves the attitude of "it's fun! Let's do this!" since they don't have the same pressure as a Japanese being in a Japanese show. The Shin Sedai practically worship Drew and are awed by his gifted body - though most realize what happened to him before on Sasuke (since some where there to witness it) and can't believe his personal growth. If anything they are jealous that he's been able to devote his life to sport since they can't in Japan's rigid structure. The idea of quitting a job to work on sport is foreign to them. So it's all positive in terms of the guys liking the Americans (or any foreigner tbh). It's just the powers that be that have the issues - then again that's the old guard and a much more different subject I'd rather not get into. As for attitude.. that's normal for the younger guys. ANW encourages that type of behavior so I doubt anyone will grow out of that if they are this cocky at this age. Just a generation gap issue for me tbh. He's great with kids and nice to everyone he speaks with but he's reaaaaaaaally cocky. I would assume it's a byproduct of how hard he worked after he broke his leg and he's (rightfully) proud of how far he's come. TBF I have the same issues with Yussain Bolt who is also cocky but Olympic Champ. It's just my own issue.
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Post by SRW on Sept 20, 2017 7:08:37 GMT -5
but I don't really want to see a American beat SASUKE. Why though? Shouldn't matter if he's American or not. If it happens it happens great for him but I just a bit purist on these things and rather just see the home guys win on their show. Plus most Americans are cocky from ANW and I don't like seeing arrogance prevail lol but thats just me, SASUKE I like to see won by someone humble. Even Yuuji got a bit cocky by his second win and I didn't care for it so much.
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Post by jba392 on Sept 21, 2017 22:33:09 GMT -5
As for attitude.. that's normal for the younger guys. ANW encourages that type of behavior so I doubt anyone will grow out of that if they are this cocky at this age. Just a generation gap issue for me tbh. He's great with kids and nice to everyone he speaks with but he's reaaaaaaaally cocky. I would assume it's a byproduct of how hard he worked after he broke his leg and he's (rightfully) proud of how far he's come. TBF I have the same issues with Yussain Bolt who is also cocky but Olympic Champ. It's just my own issue. I really don't like the term "grow out of it" because it implies that the root cause is immaturity and the over modesty is somehow better, which is untrue. It's not a generation thing, it's a culture thing. Here in America, we like our athletes to be supremely confident in themselves, to the point that it could even be perceived as cocky (MJ being the best example). Every top professional athlete here thinks he's/she's the best and I'm of the opinion that if they didn't think that way, they wouldn't be as successful. Japan has a much more "polite" culture, so I can see why it's taken negatively there. As for the flips and showboating that Levi used to do, I loved watching it. I enjoy it when competitors like Jake Murray and Drew do similar things on ANW. The course is supposed to be fun, whether it's Sasuke or ANW. I know that people thought it was disrespectful, but that seems oversensitive.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 22, 2017 6:27:53 GMT -5
As for attitude.. that's normal for the younger guys. ANW encourages that type of behavior so I doubt anyone will grow out of that if they are this cocky at this age. Just a generation gap issue for me tbh. He's great with kids and nice to everyone he speaks with but he's reaaaaaaaally cocky. I would assume it's a byproduct of how hard he worked after he broke his leg and he's (rightfully) proud of how far he's come. TBF I have the same issues with Yussain Bolt who is also cocky but Olympic Champ. It's just my own issue. I really don't like the term "grow out of it" because it implies that the root cause is immaturity and the over modesty is somehow better, which is untrue. It's not a generation thing, it's a culture thing. Here in America, we like our athletes to be supremely confident in themselves, to the point that it could even be perceived as cocky (MJ being the best example). Every top professional athlete here thinks he's/she's the best and I'm of the opinion that if they didn't think that way, they wouldn't be as successful. Japan has a much more "polite" culture, so I can see why it's taken negatively there. As for the flips and showboating that Levi used to do, I loved watching it. I enjoy it when competitors like Jake Murray and Drew do similar things on ANW. The course is supposed to be fun, whether it's Sasuke or ANW. I know that people thought it was disrespectful, but that seems oversensitive. It is a generation thing. Anyone older than the millennial generation understands it to be rude. It's just that simple. Everyone understand what cocky is and cocky is a negative connotation for a reason. Luckily those who are in ANW as of this moment are also good so people ignore it. They stop ignoring it and use it as a weapon against them when they start to fail. That is the norm and has always been that way. Cocky is not a generation thing - if you want an example just look at Yamada. Most ignored it because he was good.. until he wasn't.. Also, some of the new generation in Japan which is the reason why they haven't taken off in Japan. Most hate how cocky they are and now that they all suck they have been rejecting them. The difference now is that the millennial generation things to seem that this is the new normal and they all grew up thinking that it was the normal way of behaving regardless of what country they are growing up in.
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Post by roy on Sept 22, 2017 8:09:41 GMT -5
I really don't like the term "grow out of it" because it implies that the root cause is immaturity and the over modesty is somehow better, which is untrue. It's not a generation thing, it's a culture thing. Here in America, we like our athletes to be supremely confident in themselves, to the point that it could even be perceived as cocky (MJ being the best example). Every top professional athlete here thinks he's/she's the best and I'm of the opinion that if they didn't think that way, they wouldn't be as successful. Japan has a much more "polite" culture, so I can see why it's taken negatively there. As for the flips and showboating that Levi used to do, I loved watching it. I enjoy it when competitors like Jake Murray and Drew do similar things on ANW. The course is supposed to be fun, whether it's Sasuke or ANW. I know that people thought it was disrespectful, but that seems oversensitive. It is a generation thing. Anyone older than the millennial generation understands it to be rude. It's just that simple. Everyone understand what cocky is and cocky is a negative connotation for a reason. Luckily those who are in ANW as of this moment are also good so people ignore it. They stop ignoring it and use it as a weapon against them when they start to fail. That is the norm and has always been that way. Cocky is not a generation thing - if you want an example just look at Yamada. Most ignored it because he was good.. until he wasn't.. Also, some of the new generation in Japan which is the reason why they haven't taken off in Japan. Most hate how cocky they are and now that they all suck they have been rejecting them. The difference now is that the millennial generation things to seem that this is the new normal and they all grew up thinking that it was the normal way of behaving regardless of what country they are growing up in. Very well said! I really love the guys like Drew and Levi (his 1st stage runs were a staple of shin Sasuke - must see TV. And Drew is a regular now for me as much as any all star was in the G4 era). But I also admit I'm a bit of an old man when it comes to stuff like this - also preferring competitors to be a little less "showy", so to speak. Part of it is me wishing that maybe there would be a bit more awareness on the Americans' parts as to the do's and dont's of being in other countries; just being more aware of how another culture may perceive you as. So that's sort of my point of view on it. But you bringing up that it's a generational "issue" is a great point. We love competitors like Nagano who was able to laugh off anything but then when we see someone else acting high and mighty who fails on the first stage again and we're all thinking, "why is he acting like this?" Regardless of whether we're American or Japanese, we're thinking that same thing. Is that a good interpretation of the whole 'cockiness' thing?
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Post by arsenette on Sept 22, 2017 8:37:14 GMT -5
It is a generation thing. Anyone older than the millennial generation understands it to be rude. It's just that simple. Everyone understand what cocky is and cocky is a negative connotation for a reason. Luckily those who are in ANW as of this moment are also good so people ignore it. They stop ignoring it and use it as a weapon against them when they start to fail. That is the norm and has always been that way. Cocky is not a generation thing - if you want an example just look at Yamada. Most ignored it because he was good.. until he wasn't.. Also, some of the new generation in Japan which is the reason why they haven't taken off in Japan. Most hate how cocky they are and now that they all suck they have been rejecting them. The difference now is that the millennial generation things to seem that this is the new normal and they all grew up thinking that it was the normal way of behaving regardless of what country they are growing up in. Very well said! I really love the guys like Drew and Levi (his 1st stage runs were a staple of shin Sasuke - must see TV. And Drew is a regular now for me as much as any all star was in the G4 era). But I also admit I'm a bit of an old man when it comes to stuff like this - also preferring competitors to be a little less "showy", so to speak. Part of it is me wishing that maybe there would be a bit more awareness on the Americans' parts as to the do's and dont's of being in other countries; just being more aware of how another culture may perceive you as. So that's sort of my point of view on it. But you bringing up that it's a generational "issue" is a great point. We love competitors like Nagano who was able to laugh off anything but then when we see someone else acting high and mighty who fails on the first stage again and we're all thinking, "why is he acting like this?" Regardless of whether we're American or Japanese, we're thinking that same thing. Is that a good interpretation of the whole 'cockiness' thing? It's been a topic discussed when I was in Japan. Yuuji and I talked a lot about this. I think I mentioned that before about "why even though I have 2 titles that people seem to like Nagano more? I mean I'm a huge fan but why haven't people liked me?" and this issue of not being approachable and cockiness came up. I'm a Yuuji fan but even I explained why the new generation, people like Ryo specifically as an example are the reason why their fame never rose. Nagano is an everyman and very humble. He comports himself quite differently and it's that modesty that people are attracted to. Even though he can command it.. he doesn't. Even Takeda goes into those phases of cockiness and he gets shouted down in Japan (usually by his friends LOL) but the younger generation are in a bubble that because they accept it among themselves they think it's okay when clearly it's not. Ratings have spoken on that issue over the past several years and the Shin Sedai have been summarily rejected. As for Drew, they just think it's normal for Americans to be cocky. Kacy didn't help change that either and they just thought it was normal for Americans to act poorly so it didn't change any misconceptions. Their experience with the Americans have always been brash and loud (most forget the disruptions when G4/NBC took over the Sasuke set around Sasuke 27 to the point that TBS cursed under their breaths and spoke badly behind their back). It's no different now. They are good and in many cases better than the Shin Sedai but they are under no illusions that any American is actually modest.
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Post by SasukeSprinter2.0 on Sept 23, 2017 19:54:51 GMT -5
What I'm about to say might tick some people off, but I stand by this opinion. I feel Drew, being in his prime, surpasses Nagano. As much as that pains me to say it. The argument for Nagano seems to be his consistency of making it to the final stage. My counter-argument to this, however, is the fact that the course in 2003-2006 was substantially easier than ANW and SASUKE nowadays. While Nagano is in no way a bad competitor, and is no doubt an outstanding competior-nay- a legend. But my decision stands. I gave the edge to Drew.
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Post by TCM on Sept 24, 2017 1:41:38 GMT -5
What I'm about to say might tick some people off, but I stand by this opinion. I feel Drew, being in his prime, surpasses Nagano. As much as that pains me to say it. The argument for Nagano seems to be his consistency of making it to the final stage. My counter-argument to this, however, is the fact that the course in 2003-2006 was substantially easier than ANW and SASUKE nowadays. While Nagano is in no way a bad competitor, and is no doubt an outstanding competior-nay- a legend. But my decision stands. I gave the edge to Drew. That's a poor justification. That era of Sasuke is when Sasuke was the only game of its kind in town. (Viking aside) The competitor pool was drastically different, the entire ideology of the show was different. "Ninja gyms" weren't close to being conceived (you don't have them without people like Bunpei influencing later competitors to make their own mini courses. Replicas have always been a thing in some capacity, but dedicated obstacle training was mostly reserved for regular veterans and All-Stars, it wasn't a prerequisite to do well like now. In those days, experience mattered but if you were fit enough and thought on your toes well enough, you could get decently far. There weren't Ninja competitions to keep oneself in competition shape throughout the year. As the competitor pool rises in quality, you HAVE to account for that with obstacle design. ANW being able to experiment more freely than Sasuke nowadays I think clouds people's judgment -- ANW is wildly inconsistent in quality, but now we just considering it more damning for the course to be similar for more than a year or two. Make any excuse you want to make up for it, but Drew has been around for six years across ten tournaments (counting both Sasuke and ANW Vegas in this instance). You compare simply the years Drew's been around and Nagano's first six, he's still already a three-time finalist. Comparing by first ten tournaments, that includes Nagano's victory. Drew is objectively the best active American competitor in my opinion, and arguably the best active competitor right now. But you can't say Drew in his prime is better than Nagano when Drew hasn't reached the final obstacle in Stage 3 in either show in official competition (beating it in USA vs. The World is an achievement, but all that means is he's capable of it, which no one doubted). It's just borderline insulting to reference any champion's win as "well the course was easier" -- it inherently implies that's why they won. Not their skill, but the idea the course was a gimmie.
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Post by SasukeSprinter2.0 on Sept 24, 2017 12:42:56 GMT -5
What I'm about to say might tick some people off, but I stand by this opinion. I feel Drew, being in his prime, surpasses Nagano. As much as that pains me to say it. The argument for Nagano seems to be his consistency of making it to the final stage. My counter-argument to this, however, is the fact that the course in 2003-2006 was substantially easier than ANW and SASUKE nowadays. While Nagano is in no way a bad competitor, and is no doubt an outstanding competior-nay- a legend. But my decision stands. I gave the edge to Drew. That's a poor justification. That era of Sasuke is when Sasuke was the only game of its kind in town. (Viking aside) The competitor pool was drastically different, the entire ideology of the show was different. "Ninja gyms" weren't close to being conceived (you don't have them without people like Bunpei influencing later competitors to make their own mini courses. Replicas have always been a thing in some capacity, but dedicated obstacle training was mostly reserved for regular veterans and All-Stars, it wasn't a prerequisite to do well like now. In those days, experience mattered but if you were fit enough and thought on your toes well enough, you could get decently far. There weren't Ninja competitions to keep oneself in competition shape throughout the year. As the competitor pool rises in quality, you HAVE to account for that with obstacle design. ANW being able to experiment more freely than Sasuke nowadays I think clouds people's judgment -- ANW is wildly inconsistent in quality, but now we just considering it more damning for the course to be similar for more than a year or two. Make any excuse you want to make up for it, but Drew has been around for six years across ten tournaments (counting both Sasuke and ANW Vegas in this instance). You compare simply the years Drew's been around and Nagano's first six, he's still already a three-time finalist. Comparing by first ten tournaments, that includes Nagano's victory. Drew is objectively the best active American competitor in my opinion, and arguably the best active competitor right now. But you can't say Drew in his prime is better than Nagano when Drew hasn't reached the final obstacle in Stage 3 in either show in official competition (beating it in USA vs. The World is an achievement, but all that means is he's capable of it, which no one doubted). It's just borderline insulting to reference any champion's win as "well the course was easier" -- it inherently implies that's why they won. Not their skill, but the idea the course was a gimmie. While I do agree with you, I, at no point, said the reason Nagano won was because the course was easier. I simply stated that the course was easier, which I still stand by. It's hard to compare two competitors from two different eras for a number of reasons. Also, I wasn't just comparing Nagano's first six tournaments: those are just the ones that came to mind when thinking about Nagano's prime. I think you misinterpreted my argument as insulting, because trust me, I was trying my best not to be insulting. As I previously mentioned; it is difficult to decide which competitor is better, being that the two come from two entirely different eras of the show. I do appreciate the feedback.
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Post by notamulti on Sept 24, 2017 13:19:14 GMT -5
I think Drew is too obsessed with obstacle training, something which limits his adaptability problem solving skills.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 25, 2017 3:03:19 GMT -5
While I do agree with you, I, at no point, said the reason Nagano won was because the course was easier. I simply stated that the course was easier, which I still stand by. It's hard to compare two competitors from two different eras for a number of reasons. Also, I wasn't just comparing Nagano's first six tournaments: those are just the ones that came to mind when thinking about Nagano's prime. I think you misinterpreted my argument as insulting, because trust me, I was trying my best not to be insulting. As I previously mentioned; it is difficult to decide which competitor is better, being that the two come from two entirely different eras of the show. I do appreciate the feedback. There's nothing wrong with having your favorite competitors. With so little actual winners in either show it's no wonder there are so many people who are being compared and use obstacles to somehow justify their personal taste. I thought having just Drew and not any of the other more consistent Americans who also got to the 3rd stage just as many times was going to put a monkey wrench into this thing. Just be careful to not cloud your judgment when it comes to straight up facts. You never ever compare champions to those who haven't even gotten to the final. You don't do that in any other professional sport so why is Sasuke different? Enjoy your favorites (Lord knows we have a list and for me Takeda is one of them but I would never use him in the same breath as any of the 4 champions in Sasuke or 2 in ANW) be aware that doing anything more than that is just being a fanboy/girl. Current best is Morimoto and until someone else beats his record (including Drew since they are literally doing the same courses - both US and Japan courses and heck every other international course). Ranking any of the champions is subjective even if you use their overall record (Ya'll know that I have a soft spot for Akiyama and kinda salty that he wasn't even considered to be on the list even if he was at the bottom in most of them). Just be careful to not add to more than the current list. Not adding Levi or Kane or even David Campbell is part of the reason going into that would be a problem. It is best to compare apples to apples. Adding a single orange when there are far more of them is part of the reason why this particular short list is flawed. It probably would have been better to just add Akiyama and Isaac and Geoff since that's apples to apples. Just wait a bit, I'm sure Drew will be on that list soon. He's devoted his entire life to the show - it would be nice to have a title after all that sacrifice. I think Drew is too obsessed with obstacle training, something which limits his adaptability problem solving skills. The same could be said for Yuuji. Yuuji sadly holds the record out of the champions to fail new obstacles instead of adapting. Nagano's mantra of not building courses is the reason why his longevity in this show is legendary. No one is better in adapting to stuff on the fly. Even Morimoto doesn't train on obstacles all the time as he only trains about 10% of the time with the rest of the 90% on his career. I wonder how much stronger he would be if he devoted his life to it. Hell.. that could be said of Nagano who trained even less time since he's working 300 days out of the year.
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Post by SasukeSprinter2.0 on Sept 25, 2017 17:51:26 GMT -5
While I do agree with you, I, at no point, said the reason Nagano won was because the course was easier. I simply stated that the course was easier, which I still stand by. It's hard to compare two competitors from two different eras for a number of reasons. Also, I wasn't just comparing Nagano's first six tournaments: those are just the ones that came to mind when thinking about Nagano's prime. I think you misinterpreted my argument as insulting, because trust me, I was trying my best not to be insulting. As I previously mentioned; it is difficult to decide which competitor is better, being that the two come from two entirely different eras of the show. I do appreciate the feedback. There's nothing wrong with having your favorite competitors. With so little actual winners in either show it's no wonder there are so many people who are being compared and use obstacles to somehow justify their personal taste. I thought having just Drew and not any of the other more consistent Americans who also got to the 3rd stage just as many times was going to put a monkey wrench into this thing. Just be careful to not cloud your judgment when it comes to straight up facts. You never ever compare champions to those who haven't even gotten to the final. You don't do that in any other professional sport so why is Sasuke different? Enjoy your favorites (Lord knows we have a list and for me Takeda is one of them but I would never use him in the same breath as any of the 4 champions in Sasuke or 2 in ANW) be aware that doing anything more than that is just being a fanboy/girl. Current best is Morimoto and until someone else beats his record (including Drew since they are literally doing the same courses - both US and Japan courses and heck every other international course). Ranking any of the champions is subjective even if you use their overall record (Ya'll know that I have a soft spot for Akiyama and kinda salty that he wasn't even considered to be on the list even if he was at the bottom in most of them). Just be careful to not add to more than the current list. Not adding Levi or Kane or even David Campbell is part of the reason going into that would be a problem. It is best to compare apples to apples. Adding a single orange when there are far more of them is part of the reason why this particular short list is flawed. It probably would have been better to just add Akiyama and Isaac and Geoff since that's apples to apples. Just wait a bit, I'm sure Drew will be on that list soon. He's devoted his entire life to the show - it would be nice to have a title after all that sacrifice. I think Drew is too obsessed with obstacle training, something which limits his adaptability problem solving skills. The same could be said for Yuuji. Yuuji sadly holds the record out of the champions to fail new obstacles instead of adapting. Nagano's mantra of not building courses is the reason why his longevity in this show is legendary. No one is better in adapting to stuff on the fly. Even Morimoto doesn't train on obstacles all the time as he only trains about 10% of the time with the rest of the 90% on his career. I wonder how much stronger he would be if he devoted his life to it. Hell.. that could be said of Nagano who trained even less time since he's working 300 days out of the year. You're right. Thanks for the feedback
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Post by Philster on Oct 8, 2017 15:56:48 GMT -5
Definitely Nagano. During his prime, he made it to the final stage a record 5 times. Who else can say that?
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Post by risingkingzz on Oct 8, 2017 18:29:26 GMT -5
Definitely Nagano. During his prime, he made it to the final stage a record 5 times. Who else can say that? I agree Nagano is amazing but the courses have evolved so much it's insane. A course like 17 is notbing in comparison to 34. A prime Nagano definitely couldn't put up the results he did if he were in his prime now. He'd do great and maybe still be the last man standing just as often but no way he'd make it to the final stage as many times. In my opinion Yusuke is well on his way to become the goat. His size sure does help when it comes to obstacles like the VL and cliffhanger compared to a guy like Drew. I think Drew beating the UCC while weigh much more really says something. 5lbs makes a huge difference let alone 20-30
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Post by legendty1 on Oct 8, 2017 19:31:30 GMT -5
I don't really watch Sasuke, so I'll go with Drew.
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Post by jba392 on Oct 8, 2017 23:27:55 GMT -5
I don't really watch Sasuke, so I'll go with Drew. This might be the weakest argument ever.
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Post by Ninja Warrior Ryan on Oct 9, 2017 12:07:19 GMT -5
Very well said! I really love the guys like Drew and Levi (his 1st stage runs were a staple of shin Sasuke - must see TV. And Drew is a regular now for me as much as any all star was in the G4 era). But I also admit I'm a bit of an old man when it comes to stuff like this - also preferring competitors to be a little less "showy", so to speak. Part of it is me wishing that maybe there would be a bit more awareness on the Americans' parts as to the do's and dont's of being in other countries; just being more aware of how another culture may perceive you as. So that's sort of my point of view on it. But you bringing up that it's a generational "issue" is a great point. We love competitors like Nagano who was able to laugh off anything but then when we see someone else acting high and mighty who fails on the first stage again and we're all thinking, "why is he acting like this?" Regardless of whether we're American or Japanese, we're thinking that same thing. Is that a good interpretation of the whole 'cockiness' thing? It's been a topic discussed when I was in Japan. Yuuji and I talked a lot about this. I think I mentioned that before about "why even though I have 2 titles that people seem to like Nagano more? I mean I'm a huge fan but why haven't people liked me?" and this issue of not being approachable and cockiness came up. I'm a Yuuji fan but even I explained why the new generation, people like Ryo specifically as an example are the reason why their fame never rose. Nagano is an everyman and very humble. He comports himself quite differently and it's that modesty that people are attracted to. Even though he can command it.. he doesn't. Even Takeda goes into those phases of cockiness and he gets shouted down in Japan (usually by his friends LOL) but the younger generation are in a bubble that because they accept it among themselves they think it's okay when clearly it's not. Ratings have spoken on that issue over the past several years and the Shin Sedai have been summarily rejected. As for Drew, they just think it's normal for Americans to be cocky. Kacy didn't help change that either and they just thought it was normal for Americans to act poorly so it didn't change any misconceptions. Their experience with the Americans have always been brash and loud (most forget the disruptions when G4/NBC took over the Sasuke set around Sasuke 27 to the point that TBS cursed under their breaths and spoke badly behind their back). It's no different now. They are good and in many cases better than the Shin Sedai but they are under no illusions that any American is actually modest. Don't get me started on Kacy. She was the worst model for the females in my opinion. I'm very glad Jessie took her place. Jessie is way more of a class act, and seems very down to earth.
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Post by hashtagswag on Oct 10, 2017 12:08:59 GMT -5
May get hate but its fine...my pick is on mountain dew drew ..theres not a single other competitor as gifted as him ..hes the only guy that can speedblitz a course and also hang 10 with the rock climbers and cliffhanger guys if not best them .. hes a few tourneys away from a total victory .. had he taken on the earlier version of the course he would of made it seem like childs play . Youve got to keep in mind he also trains for anw so its harder for him to focus on sasuke type of obstacles .the 2 shows have a different sort of design so it demands different sort of training . As nagano said ...he feels as if drew is toying with the obstacles .if drew ever focused soley on sasuke and the ucch vertical limit combo then we have a freaky competitor on hand .
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Post by arsenette on Oct 10, 2017 13:02:40 GMT -5
May get hate but its fine...my pick is on mountain dew drew ..theres not a single other competitor as gifted as him ..hes the only guy that can speedblitz a course and also hang 10 with the rock climbers and cliffhanger guys if not best them .. hes a few tourneys away from a total victory .. had he taken on the earlier version of the course he would of made it seem like childs play . Youve got to keep in mind he also trains for anw so its harder for him to focus on sasuke type of obstacles .the 2 shows have a different sort of design so it demands different sort of training . As nagano said ...he feels as if drew is toying with the obstacles .if drew ever focused soley on sasuke and the ucch vertical limit combo then we have a freaky competitor on hand . Uhm.. Drew was in Sasuke for years now.. so he did take on an easier version of it (M9 days)... just correcting you there.. and Joe has the record in ANW so not sure where you are going with this.
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