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Post by m4tt3r0x on Mar 28, 2017 1:21:41 GMT -5
A historical precedent: In SASUKE 6 Yamada was Last Man Standing and Akiyama was #100 after missing the tournament before. Yamada was #100 in SASUKE 7, although Akiyama failed the 1st Stage. Should Drew be #100? Yes. Will he? No. Meh. This is like saying Lee should had replaced Yuuji for 100 in Sasuke 27 (But funnily enough, Nagano took it). I'll take semi-current patterns over almost 20 year old ones. I think he should be 99, but I see them putting at least 3 Japanese after him no matter what.
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Post by PsychoDelusion on Mar 28, 2017 8:03:37 GMT -5
The right thing is to give Drew 99, but given that the Japanese producers have a certain "pride" in them despite being Drew outdoing them for 2 tournaments in a row now, he'll never get it. My guess is that Asa, Nagasaki and Sato will get 97,98,99 and Drew will get 96 IF he gets invited again. Levi was #99 in 21 and David was #98 in 27, so there's some precedent to give a foreigner such a high number. Drew has now outperformed each of those two by a fair amount, so it's definitely within the realm of possibility. M9 was running the show back then. That's a huge difference.
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Post by thatoneuser on Mar 28, 2017 10:46:54 GMT -5
A historical precedent: In SASUKE 6 Yamada was Last Man Standing and Akiyama was #100 after missing the tournament before. Yamada was #100 in SASUKE 7, although Akiyama failed the 1st Stage. Should Drew be #100? Yes. Will he? No. Meh. This is like saying Lee should had replaced Yuuji for 100 in Sasuke 27 (But funnily enough, Nagano took it). I'll take semi-current patterns over almost 20 year old ones. I think he should be 99, but I see them putting at least 3 Japanese after him no matter what. To be fair, Yuuji had 2 straight poor performances and Lee had 2 straight best results. I probably would have given him 100. In 30, 31, and 33 (i.e. when Nagano didn't wear 100) Inui has given 100 to the best result in the previous tournament (Yusuke counts because 31), even giving Yusuke 3000 for just one tournament. In my mind, two straight best results warrants 100 and Inui has the track record to prove it. However, for more complicated reasons, I'd put money that Yusuke will wear 100.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Mar 28, 2017 11:52:18 GMT -5
A historical precedent: In SASUKE 6 Yamada was Last Man Standing and Akiyama was #100 after missing the tournament before. Yamada was #100 in SASUKE 7, although Akiyama failed the 1st Stage. Should Drew be #100? Yes. Will he? No. Morimoto didn't fail the first stage this time though.
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Post by Eclipse on Mar 28, 2017 12:54:37 GMT -5
As I mentioned in the numbers thread, I think that since 3 of the 4 people above Drew made a good run to stage 3 they have a good chance of holding their ground above him, and Asa's consistency and popularity makes him a contender to rise up.
The only scenario I envision a 99 Drew is if he wins ANW 9.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Mar 28, 2017 14:50:23 GMT -5
If he isn't #99 then that's just unfair.
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Post by cole77000 on Mar 28, 2017 15:43:58 GMT -5
Seems like this conversation is devolving like it usually does into people answering two different questions. My personal answers are below:
1. Does Drew deserve the #100 spot over others based only on his performance in the last few years?
Really it's between him and Morimoto. I think this one again comes down to the question of what type of competitor deserves a higher number. The guys who are most likely to be give the best result in the given tournament or the guys who in the span of a few tournaments will be the most likely to clear all 4 stages. It's the classic Takedas, Drews, Morovskys, and Lees vs the Ryos, Yuujis, and Shinyas. However in this case we have yet to see if Morimoto will have consistency to be placed in the coveted third category of "both" along with prime-time Nagano.
For this reason I would give it to Morimoto at this time. Despite Drew having the best results these past two times, Morimoto is still in great form (his recent results are stage 3, completion, 2, and 3). My mind would probably be changed if Drew once again puts out the best result in 34 if he is invited.
2. Will Drew get #100 in Sasuke 34?
I highly doubt it. Between the backlash about the focus on foreign competitors that occurred after 32 along with the very little airtime Drew got for 33, it doesn't seem like the folks in charge believe Drew is marketable to their target audience. Therefore, they would probably continue to prefer giving the top spot to someone they can sell to their audience, that being Morimoto.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 28, 2017 23:52:16 GMT -5
Provided Drew even gets invited again.. remember how hard he had to fight to get on both 32 and 33. He's not a lock for 34.
That said I doubt Morimoto will be dethroned as the current champion who only failed a couple obstacles before Drew while wearing #100 which typically most people fail with the weight of it.
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Post by blah123 on Mar 30, 2017 12:13:47 GMT -5
Curious.. How is Drew viewed in Japan? Part of me wants to believe he is super well-respected and liked by everyone over there. But part of me wonders if they see him as this cocky outsider that is trying to take over their home turf. From the production staff sorta screwing him over on the 31 3rd Stage, to the digested runs even though he's reigning LMS, to the earbuds, to rumors of not even getting invited back.. it just seems like, at least production staff anyways, is not giving him the hero's welcome that he deserves.
So how do they view him across the pond - from a production standpoint? - from the other competitors? - from the fans (general Japanese audience fans, not live in-person fans)?
EDIT: To be clear, I'm sure he is a genuine, cool dude. I've met him once and he seems super nice and humble. I guess I'm just wondering what the perception of him is in the Japanese culture.
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Post by Philip on Mar 30, 2017 12:21:01 GMT -5
Drew deserves at LEAST #99.
It's f***ing bulls**t how they hate ALL FOREIGNERS NOW! Makes no f***ing sense and I hope they are reading this right now
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Post by cole77000 on Mar 30, 2017 15:01:06 GMT -5
Drew deserves at LEAST #99. It's f***ing bulls**t how they hate ALL FOREIGNERS NOW! Makes no f***ing sense and I hope they are reading this right now Woah there, buddy. Although a lot of us aren't particularly happy about the lack of screen time the foreigners have gotten in the past few tournaments, but let's not extrapolate to assume it was done out of malice. "They hate foreigners" has been thrown around too loosely around here.
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Post by MrTakebuchi on Mar 30, 2017 15:06:52 GMT -5
Curious.. How is Drew viewed in Japan? Part of me wants to believe he is super well-respected and liked by everyone over there. But part of me wonders if they see him as this cocky outsider that is trying to take over their home turf. From the production staff sorta screwing him over on the 31 3rd Stage, to the digested runs even though he's reigning LMS, to the earbuds, to rumors of not even getting invited back.. it just seems like, at least production staff anyways, is not giving him the hero's welcome that he deserves. So how do they view him across the pond - from a production standpoint? - from the other competitors? - from the fans (general Japanese audience fans, not live in-person fans)? EDIT: To be clear, I'm sure he is a genuine, cool dude. I've met him once and he seems super nice and humble. I guess I'm just wondering what the perception of him is in the Japanese culture. I'm actually super interested to hear about this too and not only about Drew but for all of the top Americans. I remember watching the tournaments where David Campbell and Paul Kasemir did really well but I always wondered if the Japanese actually liked them or if I, as an American, just wanted to see them succeed.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Mar 30, 2017 16:53:22 GMT -5
Drew deserves at LEAST #99. It's f***ing bulls**t how they hate ALL FOREIGNERS NOW! Makes no f***ing sense and I hope they are reading this right now 1. He deserves 99, not 100. He beat the champion in a single tournament by two obstacles, and the one the champ failed on was faulty in design anyway. Saying Morimoto deserves to get demoted for a tournament's results he couldn't even compete in, and another with a bad obstacle is faulty logic. 2. Yes, foreigners aren't regarded as as important as they were in the past. They were very quick to give Levi #99 in 21, and I doubt we'll be seeing Drew as #99 next time, but that isn't indicative of hating foreigners. Is TBS wrong? Probably. Should we trivialize the word hate and throw it around in circumstances it doesn't even exist? Relax. 3. And this is directed to the guy saying nationalism is a hurtful ideology in 2017 in the "Does Sasuke Need Foreigners" thread. lol. Nothing wrong with nationalism, it's bigotry that may be a big problem.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 10:51:47 GMT -5
Drew or Morimoto (at this point I really don't care).
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Post by blah123 on Apr 10, 2017 17:51:50 GMT -5
(Didn't know where else to post) Saw on Facebook that Drew apparently injured an eye (or both eyes?). Anyone know anything about this? What happened? Ninja-related?
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Post by PsychoDelusion on Apr 10, 2017 20:32:27 GMT -5
Curious.. How is Drew viewed in Japan? Part of me wants to believe he is super well-respected and liked by everyone over there. But part of me wonders if they see him as this cocky outsider that is trying to take over their home turf. From the production staff sorta screwing him over on the 31 3rd Stage, to the digested runs even though he's reigning LMS, to the earbuds, to rumors of not even getting invited back.. it just seems like, at least production staff anyways, is not giving him the hero's welcome that he deserves. So how do they view him across the pond - from a production standpoint? - from the other competitors? - from the fans (general Japanese audience fans, not live in-person fans)? EDIT: To be clear, I'm sure he is a genuine, cool dude. I've met him once and he seems super nice and humble. I guess I'm just wondering what the perception of him is in the Japanese culture. I'm not a SASUKE insider but this is what I've heard -The relationship is okay-ish. They seem to have put the SASUKE 31 incident behind them since Drew was super kind and could ask to get invited again more politely. If Geoff competed in 32 though, I think that this would be the end of the line for Drew. -They seem to like him. Of course the language barrier is major but they respect and adore his performaces. "Sugoi" (Amazing) is all you can hear from them when he competes. -They really like watching him compete.
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