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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 10:43:56 GMT -5
I like Wildcards back in Season 4, 5, and 6. However the producers gave the women all wildcards on Season 7 and 8. They should of picked better wildcards Tiana Webberly was the only wildcard I wanted that actually was a wildcard. I wish in ANW 9 they brought back wildcards (The way they were used in season 4,5 and 6)
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Post by Steven π on Jun 15, 2017 18:02:20 GMT -5
Seriously am I the only one who doesn’t understand anything until now?
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Post by Paragus on Jun 15, 2017 19:59:13 GMT -5
Seriously am I the only one who doesn’t understand anything until now? Nope, I didn't understand it one bit until I saw the video by ANW Nation.
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Post by Al Bundy on Jun 16, 2017 7:57:03 GMT -5
Seriously am I the only one who doesn’t understand anything until now? Nope, I didn't understand it one bit until I saw the video by ANW Nation. Same here lol.
I got totally confused by Matt explaining that 30 move on to the city finals. Then I wasn't sure if it's the 30 best plus the 5 women, or if it's exactly 30 competitors and the slowest 5 men get knocked out by the women
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Post by Steven π on Jun 16, 2017 8:30:11 GMT -5
Nope, I didn't understand it one bit until I saw the video by ANW Nation. Same here lol.
I got totally confused by Matt explaining that 30 move on to the city finals. Then I wasn't sure if it's the 30 best plus the 5 women, or if it's exactly 30 competitors and the slowest 5 men get knocked out by the women
If we have 6 regions then... *Case 1: 30 men + 5 women: (30+5)*6=210 City Finals Runs *Case 2: 30 men - 5 worst men + 5 women (30+5-5)*6=180 City Finals Runs And if we had the same thing apply to City Finals: (2 best women) *Case 1: 15 men + 2 women: (15+2)*6=102 LV runs *Case 2: 15 men - 2 worst men + 2 women: (15+2-2)*6=90 LV runs So I think the first case is more possible to happens.
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Post by Amber on Jun 16, 2017 9:14:08 GMT -5
Same here lol.
I got totally confused by Matt explaining that 30 move on to the city finals. Then I wasn't sure if it's the 30 best plus the 5 women, or if it's exactly 30 competitors and the slowest 5 men get knocked out by the women
If we have 6 regions then... *Case 1: 30 men + 5 women: (30+5)*6=210 City Finals Runs *Case 2: 30 men - 5 worst men + 5 women (30+5-5)*6=180 City Finals Runs And if we had the same thing apply to City Finals: (2 best women) *Case 1: 15 men + 2 women: (15+2)*6=102 LV runs *Case 2: 15 men - 2 worst men + 2 women: (15+2-2)*6=90 LV runs So I think the first case is more possible to happens. r/theydidthemath
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Post by madship on Jun 16, 2017 19:27:15 GMT -5
Same here lol.
I got totally confused by Matt explaining that 30 move on to the city finals. Then I wasn't sure if it's the 30 best plus the 5 women, or if it's exactly 30 competitors and the slowest 5 men get knocked out by the women
If we have 6 regions then... *Case 1: 30 men + 5 women: (30+5)*6=210 City Finals Runs *Case 2: 30 men - 5 worst men + 5 women (30+5-5)*6=180 City Finals Runs And if we had the same thing apply to City Finals: (2 best women) *Case 1: 15 men + 2 women: (15+2)*6=102 LV runs *Case 2: 15 men - 2 worst men + 2 women: (15+2-2)*6=90 LV runs So I think the first case is more possible to happens. Case three is what will happen. I know of one woman who finished in the top 15 of her city finals. Theres a good chance a woman will be in the top 15 in Daytona and Denver. My guess is 98 or 99 ninjas going to Vegas.
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Post by Al Bundy on Jul 25, 2017 16:58:25 GMT -5
Honestly I like this new format. The days of favoritism and subjective wildcards are over. Now you either qualify on the course or you go home. No shoving Nathalie down our throats in Vegas, two others were better than her so they get to go.
Watch out, Kacy.
And for those saying it's not fair because they don't have to be in the Top 15 etc: neither did they before. They just got to Vegas with a wildcard if they were an NBC favorite. How many of those who ran in Vegas actually really qualified? Four (Kacy, Meagan, Jessie, Jesse)? What's that, maybe 3%?
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Post by danielnc on Jul 26, 2017 19:43:05 GMT -5
{Spoiler} It's going to be a moot point after Monday. In a live video at NBC on Monday, Matt Iseman all but directly said Kacy's retirement from ANW would be announced on next Monday's broadcast.
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Post by arsenette on Aug 19, 2017 1:20:38 GMT -5
So I was thinking a way they can amend the rule.
1. Keep the rule of no wildcards - Period. 2. Keep the rule of top 5 women to City finals (since it does not take a spot from men) 3. Eliminate Top 2 Guaranteed spots 4. If a woman in city finals clears the warped wall they get to Vegas. ***
*** If no woman get to warped wall no women from that region progress to Vegas. Conversely is multiple women from the same region reach the warped wall then they in turn qualify for Vegas. The whole point of the rule was supposedly to make sure they "earned their spot". No one who can't pass the warped wall in qualifiers that season belongs in Vegas where the first stage has the same obstacle and the course timed. This is supposed to be a qualification process. Eliminating the wildcard spot was a great step. Gifting spots because they are gunning for the "female demographic" is not helping change the notion that this is not a sport but a reality show. If they want to shake the branding and want us to take it seriously then they have to be a bit more hardcore in their selection process. I'm confident that the women are training hard to make it on their own and we have seen it with a number of women getting to the top 30 and top 15 on their own without the rule. Just keep going and eliminate the spots that are to no benefit to the people involved. Right now we have what... 2 people who couldn't even get up the warped wall going to Vegas?
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Post by ekkerb11 on Aug 19, 2017 1:24:24 GMT -5
So I was thinking a way they can amend the rule. 1. Keep the rule of no wildcards - Period. 2. Keep the rule of top 5 women to City finals (since it does not take a spot from men) 3. Eliminate Top 2 Guaranteed spots4. If a woman in city finals clears the warped wall they get to Vegas. *** *** If no woman get to warped wall no women from that region progress to Vegas. Conversely is multiple women from the same region reach the warped wall then they in turn qualify for Vegas. The whole point of the rule was supposedly to make sure they "earned their spot". No one who can't pass the warped wall in qualifiers that season belongs in Vegas where the first stage has the same obstacle and the course timed. This is supposed to be a qualification process. Eliminating the wildcard spot was a great step. Gifting spots because they are gunning for the "female demographic" is not helping change the notion that this is not a sport but a reality show. If they want to shake the branding and want us to take it seriously then they have to be a bit more hardcore in their selection process. I'm confident that the women are training hard to make it on their own and we have seen it with a number of women getting to the top 30 and top 15 on their own without the rule. Just keep going and eliminate the spots that are to no benefit to the people involved. Right now we have what... 2 people who couldn't even get up the warped wall going to Vegas? Three. Zhanique, Kacy, and Lindsay. But technically Lindsay may have gotten up the wall, but didn't make it that far. Good amendment though. I like it a lot.
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Post by Steven π on Aug 19, 2017 1:45:54 GMT -5
Oh man this new change spun my head like Spin Bridge already Why can’t we just let everything plain simple? Just 15 city finals finishers, nothing expect it. We are fine with 90 Vegas competitors...
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Post by arsenette on Aug 19, 2017 1:48:07 GMT -5
Oh man this new change spun my head like Spin Bridge already Why can’t we just let everything plain simple? Just 15 city finals finishers, nothing expect it. We are fine with 90 Vegas competitors... I agree but at this point we have to meet NBC halfway. This should satisfy both the people that are pissed off that the rule even exists (like me) and those who want to see the women featured to give more strong role models to little girls growing up by having more exposure of women in city finals. I think they took it a step too far with the 2 guaranteed slots to Vegas. If they didn't have that I wouldn't be anywhere near as angry about the rule. I wish it was just top 15 regardless of gender goes to Vegas but then again I'm hardcore about qualifying. LOL
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Post by OwlRTA on Aug 19, 2017 9:48:22 GMT -5
I had a different idea for the women's rule.
1. Keep the Top 5 Women rule in City Qualifying. 2. No Top 2 Women rule in City Finals. 3. Bring back a revamped Wildcard.
My idea of Wildcards is to guarantee the Top 10 women in all of the City Finals go to Vegas based on their performance and the finals they competed in, so that some women are not unfairly passed over because they competed in a harder qualifier due to geography, but also that a Michelle-like situation never happens. So 10 wildcards spots are given as such. One more amendment to this wildcard system is that if there are women who did make it to the Top 15, the number of ladies that directly qualified will be the number of wildcard(s) available to the next best ninja(s) not already qualified for Vegas.
For example, say that 3 ladies are going to Vegas because they made it to the Top 15 in their region. So that means that 7 will be distributed to the 7 best women in all of the city finals that are not in that top 15 (based on performance and finals competed on), and the 3 remaining goes to the 3 best ninjas not going to Vegas (again, based on performance and finals competed on).
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Post by Philip on Aug 19, 2017 10:30:05 GMT -5
So I was thinking a way they can amend the rule. 1. Keep the rule of no wildcards - Period. 2. Keep the rule of top 5 women to City finals (since it does not take a spot from men) 3. Eliminate Top 2 Guaranteed spots4. If a woman in city finals clears the warped wall they get to Vegas. *** *** If no woman get to warped wall no women from that region progress to Vegas. Conversely is multiple women from the same region reach the warped wall then they in turn qualify for Vegas. The whole point of the rule was supposedly to make sure they "earned their spot". No one who can't pass the warped wall in qualifiers that season belongs in Vegas where the first stage has the same obstacle and the course timed. This is supposed to be a qualification process. Eliminating the wildcard spot was a great step. Gifting spots because they are gunning for the "female demographic" is not helping change the notion that this is not a sport but a reality show. If they want to shake the branding and want us to take it seriously then they have to be a bit more hardcore in their selection process. I'm confident that the women are training hard to make it on their own and we have seen it with a number of women getting to the top 30 and top 15 on their own without the rule. Just keep going and eliminate the spots that are to no benefit to the people involved. Right now we have what... 2 people who couldn't even get up the warped wall going to Vegas? Great solution. Women are getting better and better at ANW, and I guarantee in only a couple years we will see 10 women qualify for Vegas through the top 15. We already have 2 or 3 that did that this year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 11:22:00 GMT -5
My opinion keep Wildcards and use Men and Woman wildcards.
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Post by madship on Aug 19, 2017 14:13:59 GMT -5
So I was thinking a way they can amend the rule. 1. Keep the rule of no wildcards - Period. 2. Keep the rule of top 5 women to City finals (since it does not take a spot from men) 3. Eliminate Top 2 Guaranteed spots4. If a woman in city finals clears the warped wall they get to Vegas. *** I am fine with the rule. It is much better than the old Wild Card method since it removes all subjectivity. And except for the gender portion, it is still the furthest the fastest. I don't remember all of the Wild Cards in ANW 6, but there was at least one male, Brent Steffensen. Since then all of the Wild Cards have gone to women. If the producers and the audience want women in the Vegas finals, I think they came up with the a pretty good way of doing it. What I do like about this method is that it recognizes a standout performance. It's not 15 men and 2 women. It's the top 15 regardless of gender and if there are not two women in that group, up to two, based on furthest/fastest, women will earn a place in the finals. This means all of the women have to go as far as they can as hard as they can (e.g. Michelle Warnky) to qualify for the Vegas Finals. Where I disagree with the above is: 3. Eliminate the Top 2 Guaranteed: The top two women do not take a spot from a man. A ninja in the top 15 is in the top 15 period. Regardless of gender if you were in the top 15 you pushed someones else out of the top 15 regardless of their gender. The women who qualify outside of the top 15 are not taking a man's spot either, they are earning a spot in the finals, based unfortunately on gender. That being said, at the moment men are generally faster on these courses than the women. Look at the results from Rockford Ninja Warrior. There may come a time when several women can qualify in each city without special consideration, but it isn't now. After four cities, two women have made it into the top 15, which is awesome, but would be boring in Vegas if they were the only women running the courses. 4. If a woman in city finals clears the warped wall they get to Vegas. I actually hate this. This suggestion, completely changes the rules for women. It turns the city finals into exhibition for women and in essence makes the city qualifiers the city finals for them. While I understand the point that if you can't clear the warped wall you shouldn't be in the National Finals since the warped wall in the middle of Stage One. However, there are many ninjas, both male and female, who have cleared the Warped Wall in the regionals and failed it in Stage One. Also I think the warped walls are different, since season 8, in the qualifiers and the finals. Just because you can't complete 14.5' doesn't meant you can complete 14'. What I dislike about this so much is that is gives women an incentive to only train for the first six obstacles (if actually possible). In the most extreme case, it could actually result in more women moving on to Vegas than men. Women who clear the qualifying course would most likely do it again in the city finals and qualify for Vegas, but the men would have to go farthest the fastest on obstacles 7-10. There is no reason for a woman to do anything after clearing the wall in the city finals. Those who continued and then finished in the top 15 would then be taking spots from competitors competing under different criteria. IMO the only guaranteed spots should be for those who clear the course. If women qualify after clearing the Warped Wall, they are running on a different course.
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Post by arsenette on Aug 19, 2017 22:19:51 GMT -5
The wildcard system was not the same as it is now. That's NBC's fault. This doesn't "fix" anything it made it worse. So accepting a flawed system because they screwed it up is ridiculous. It's their fault the wildcards were the way they were.. THEY were the ones that created this mess. They are mutually exclusive issues that should have never been thrown together. They stand for totally different things.
My point with the elimination of the guaranteed two spots is that in weaker regions you have women that are gifted spots. The 5 gifted spots ARE exhibitions for the women. That was the reason why NBC made the rule. They are not hiding the fact that they need women for the demographic so they guaranteed 5 women in finals. That won't go away no matter how much they tweak the rule from this point on. They already ruined the wildcards by making it gender specific. So their compromise was getting rid of the wildcards (which they made gender specific the past couple seasons) and forced women into city finals even if they didn't qualify because they now REQUIRE 5 women to be there even if they are not trained for it. Which region was it that you had women that failed the first or second obstacle miraculously ending up in city finals? That's BS. However, NBC will not relinquish that because of the ratings. So attempting to meet them halfway I'm relenting of the top 5 going to city Finals even though the majority have no business being there. The issue is the guarantee to Vegas. What happens if all 5 bomb the city finals? 2 are going to Vegas no matter what. That should not happen. It makes a mockery of all the other women who are good enough without the rule to make it to Vegas. So that's why I'm proposing making at least some benchmark the women have to get (at LEAST beat qualifying course = wall) to go to Vegas. Otherwise we get the BS that's going on now. 3 women who either didn't get to the all or couldn't pass it while a woman who passed the wall and got far into the city finals not going to Vegas because the field was stacked. There has to be a happy medium because now it's dumb. It's an exhibition now as it is as all they have to is beat out each other to guarantee going to Vegas. We can theoretically get women who fail the first couple obstacles and still make it while in another region more 3 women clear the course but if that 3rd one is slower than the top 15 overall she won't get to go. Something has to change. The wall at least is an obstacle that is ALWAYS in each region so it is something tangible that we know will end the qualifying course. That alone made Kacy a star a couple years go (clearing Regionals warped wall) it should be at least a barometer from here forward. I don't see it unreasonable to require women to clear the qualifying course at the minimum to advance to Vegas. Right now we don't even have that. Asking for more than that won't get NBC's attention. This at least fine tunes the rule they created because they require women to be in city finals even if they didn't qualify to be there.
P.S. For the record I would abolish both the wildcards and the women's rule and have zero problem if no women (or a small handful) go to Vegas by being legitimately top 15. But that's not going to happen on NBC's watch. So that's why I attempted to fix the currently broken system that was put in place this season. The women don't need help but NBC insists they do.
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Post by c0balt on Aug 19, 2017 23:15:29 GMT -5
The major problem I have had with the new rules is that NBC is not highlighting Women who are legit and lumping them together by just saying the top x women. Jesse and Jessie both made top 15 and it was not made a big deal of by them at all.
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Post by defaro on Aug 20, 2017 2:46:11 GMT -5
in the city final, i would love to see top 1 woman will advance but if they reach the backhalf of the course, they guaranteed a spot in vegas . And also, maybe a wild card (to Men) for having the perfect 100 Competitors
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