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Post by Amber on Sept 9, 2014 14:33:23 GMT -5
They didn't really fail because they were so exhausted from the 2nd stage... It's not like Elet cleared and they just started Stage 3...
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Post by tbowman on Sept 9, 2014 14:39:23 GMT -5
They didn't really fail because they were so exhausted from the 2nd stage... It's not like Elet cleared and they just started Stage 3... Brian Arnold purposefully chose to run Stage 2 earlier so he would have more time to rest for Stage 3. He seems to believe it is a significant issue.
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Post by greenday61892 on Sept 9, 2014 14:47:26 GMT -5
I find it funny that everyone says they want no one to win and yet they made stage three easier First they replaced the Roulette wheel with the cannonball incline which was less taxing on the arms Not sure the propeller but Joe looked like he had no issues and he was able to use his arms and not his hands. Everything else was the same. Despite all the bitching about stage two being hard; I will say the ropes where brutal but if not for a bad landing pad layout on the chain spin we would have had 7 people in stage three just like last year. The real issue was the chain spin landing in stage two and nothing else Beyond that, what is wrong with seeing 10+ guys tackling Stage 3. Stage 3 is brutal. It will chew up and spit out all, but the absolute best of the best. Stage 3 is hard enough without drastically limiting the pool of talent who can tackle it. Not. At. All. Especially if the Wolfpack are able to make it past stage 2.
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Post by thebobmaster on Sept 9, 2014 14:53:02 GMT -5
I agree there are definite issues to work through with ANW, but I do not believe, as you seem to, that ANW is beyond redemption, and I think it is reaching almost conspiracy-theory levels to say that none of the producers want anyone to win.
Would I like to see more people in Stage 3? I wouldn't mind it, that's for sure. But if I thought ANW was horrible, I wouldn't care if they fixed it or not.
As a final note, tbow, I know it's been going both ways a bit with the personal attacks, but remember that there is a difference between criticizing the show constructively and attacking people for having a different opinion than you.
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Post by dalmuti on Sept 9, 2014 15:04:37 GMT -5
nechney, assuming you are free to comment now that the show has aired, can you tell us any more about the changes to Stage 3? Before the show aired, the wikipedia page showed "Ring Toss" at first instead of Doorknob Grasper and may have had another difference that I've forgotten. Were the 5 doorknobs originally supposed to be done with rings?
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Post by Amber on Sept 9, 2014 15:30:24 GMT -5
They didn't really fail because they were so exhausted from the 2nd stage... It's not like Elet cleared and they just started Stage 3... Brian Arnold purposefully chose to run Stage 2 earlier so he would have more time to rest for Stage 3. He seems to believe it is a significant issue. Well, he didn't mean resting time as in to regain his stamina. He most likely meant to regain his stamina for a bit, and have time to relax without the stress of worrying about the 3rd stage for a while.
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Post by Lachlan on Sept 9, 2014 17:09:03 GMT -5
I have a feeling this is about to erupt into a massive flame war
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Post by tbowman on Sept 9, 2014 17:36:08 GMT -5
I have a feeling this is about to erupt into a massive flame war No flame war. I've appreciated the thoughts and insights others have contributed to this thread.
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Post by peytonblitz on Sept 9, 2014 17:40:02 GMT -5
My opinion on this whole thing. lol But seriously I think that the course is meant to be beaten. Just not yet, they have only had three vegas competitions now and each year I think I have seen a better show each year with better competitors. Yes we have seen some bad things done by NBC (Metal Spin landing, slider drop, half-pipe attack?). However I think that they have to learn from there mistakes like TBS did with Sasuke 19 making the course too hard then learning their lesson and making it a bit easier in 20. So NBC aren't the only ones making mistakes, and people need to not act like Sasuke never makes mistakes people(swap salmon ladder, most hate the backstream, passing wall, forcing All-Stars to retire, etc.) I know most people act like sasuke never has mistakes, but they have.
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Post by nehcney on Sept 9, 2014 18:13:16 GMT -5
nechney, assuming you are free to comment now that the show has aired, can you tell us any more about the changes to Stage 3? Before the show aired, the wikipedia page showed "Ring Toss" at first instead of Doorknob Grasper and may have had another difference that I've forgotten. Were the 5 doorknobs originally supposed to be done with rings? No the doorknobs were always there. The only obstacle that I'm aware of changed is the cannonball incline. They swapped out the balls for much smaller ones (confirmed), which makes a huge difference considering Venice City Finals results. Very good chance that Joe and Elet would have failed on the first obstacle, and that would have been ugly. Also may have possibly changed the order of the balls and/or lined them up better (unconfirmed).
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Post by SuperTiger on Sept 9, 2014 21:09:41 GMT -5
I personally don't have a problem with the course setup. I'd akin what we're going through now as similar to the early Shin Sasuke days, meaning whenever someone finally clears Stage 3, it's going to be frigging awesome.
Ultimately while I do think some obstacles are poorly designed, I think the course is fine as is. With the high level of skill the competitors possess, it's almost like having 85-100 Yuuji/Ryo's taking on the course. If they don't make the course difficult, it'll end up being way too easy. I express the same sentiments as a few other posters that I think we'd rather see a difficult course than a Kunoichi 8 double winner situation.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 9, 2014 21:44:55 GMT -5
I personally don't have a problem with the course setup. I'd akin what we're going through now as similar to the early Shin Sasuke days, meaning whenever someone finally clears Stage 3, it's going to be frigging awesome. Honestly I was thinking a similar thing actually, the truth of ANW is they're really just starting, yes this is their 6th season but the first 3 were a Sasuke trial and their only on their third try actually making Midoriyama, which I feel is similar to Shin Sasuke in a way, yeah things are continuing from 27 but honestly they're just starting out on something new and still trying to figure things out, look at how overkill 19 was with Stage 2, ANW6 is pretty much the same thing with Stage 2. (What's really funny about that comparison you have a very good comparison between stage 1 in 19 and stage 2 in ANW6, the next to last obstacle was farther away than it should have been and only 2 people cleared the stage )
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Post by greenday61892 on Sept 9, 2014 23:20:52 GMT -5
EXACTLY re: Shin Sasuke. After Nagano's kanzenseiha, no one reached the final stage until FIVE tournaments later, so to be this angry that no one has made the final stage in the meager three years of the Vegas course while holding Sasuke's clear rate at a higher standard is a little much.
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Post by TCM on Sept 10, 2014 0:05:20 GMT -5
I think what doesn't help is ANW has a clear list of people who if they reach Stage 3, very likely would beat the stage with little problem but something always happens. They fluke fail the qualifier (which has too much emphasis placed on it, IMO), they slip off an obstacle by chance, an obstacle has an awkward design. Something that may be seen as a sudden, random circumstance in Japan because it's been around longer can be seen as a little too convenient to some in ANW because it's only been around for so long.
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Post by KinnikuBanzukeÜberAlles on Sept 10, 2014 0:50:16 GMT -5
ANW6 seemed to have the appropriate level of difficulty for Stage 2 because the eliminations were distributed fairly evenly among 4 of the 6 obstacles, unlike in ANW5.
If I knew that ANW's Final Stage had the appropriate level of difficulty, then ANW's watering down of the course wouldn't be that big of a deal. If Stage 4 ends up being the same height and same time as SASUKE 27's Final Stage, then it just re-confims to me that ANW is a cheap knockoff.
I don't know how the producers would be able to argue with a straight face that it's acceptable to crown a champion with the exact same obstacle and time limit that Urushihara easily beat. If they're going with SASUKE 27's Final Stage, then the time limit must be shorter than Urushihara's time of 33.29 seconds.
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Post by thebobmaster on Sept 10, 2014 1:56:39 GMT -5
ANW6 seemed to have the appropriate level of difficulty for Stage 2 because the eliminations were distributed fairly evenly among 4 of the 6 obstacles, unlike in ANW5. If I knew that ANW's Final Stage had the appropriate level of difficulty, then ANW's watering down of the course wouldn't be that big of a deal. If Stage 4 ends up being the same height and same time as SASUKE 27's Final Stage, then it just re-confims to me that ANW is a cheap knockoff. I don't know how the producers would be able to argue with a straight face that it's acceptable to crown a champion with the exact same obstacle and time limit that Urushihara easily beat. If they're going with SASUKE 27's Final Stage, then the time limit must be shorter than Urushihara's time of 33.29 seconds. Wait...in order to be a REAL champion, they have to be faster than a real champion? That...that doesn't make any sense.
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Post by kangaroo on Sept 10, 2014 9:11:50 GMT -5
nechney, assuming you are free to comment now that the show has aired, can you tell us any more about the changes to Stage 3? Before the show aired, the wikipedia page showed "Ring Toss" at first instead of Doorknob Grasper and may have had another difference that I've forgotten. Were the 5 doorknobs originally supposed to be done with rings? No the doorknobs were always there. The only obstacle that I'm aware of changed is the cannonball incline. They swapped out the balls for much smaller ones (confirmed), which makes a huge difference considering Venice City Finals results. Very good chance that Joe and Elet would have failed on the first obstacle, and that would have been ugly. Also may have possibly changed the order of the balls and/or lined them up better (unconfirmed). Progress now if they could do this earlier from tester feedback in the city finals etc that would rock
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Post by higeboshi on Sept 10, 2014 10:18:51 GMT -5
Wait...in order to be a REAL champion, they have to be faster than a real champion? That...that doesn't make any sense. Only a true Scotsman can be a REAL champion!
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Post by arsenette on Sept 10, 2014 12:33:19 GMT -5
I just don't like when someone has an opinion and they are automatically labeled "purist" as if it's a derisive statement and worth discounting their opinion. Obviously if someone has a complaint, critique, negative feedback they will be passionate about it. So long as no one resorts to character assassination their viewpoint should be respected. It doesn't mean you have to agree, however it does mean you shouldn't degrade people for holding opposite points of view. In this thread it looks as if it's a discussion between purely ANW people critiquing the show the way it should be. No show is perfect and if the viewers are having that strong of an opinion, NBC has to pay attention to it. The show is not growing so something is wrong. Feedback, however negative is meant to be so the show can improve. The show is NOT going anywhere so they need to listen to the critiques (pros and cons) and see how they can improve for next year. Automatically dismissing it does not help the show in any way. NBC has a problem right now, and it's a big one. Their base is not expanding, in fact it's shrinking. They need to find out how to fix it.
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Post by greenday61892 on Sept 10, 2014 13:54:23 GMT -5
I just don't like when someone has an opinion and they are automatically labeled "purist" as if it's a derisive statement and worth discounting their opinion. Obviously if someone has a complaint, critique, negative feedback they will be passionate about it. So long as no one resorts to character assassination their viewpoint should be respected. It doesn't mean you have to agree, however it does mean you shouldn't degrade people for holding opposite points of view. In this thread it looks as if it's a discussion between purely ANW people critiquing the show the way it should be. No show is perfect and if the viewers are having that strong of an opinion, NBC has to pay attention to it. The show is not growing so something is wrong. Feedback, however negative is meant to be so the show can improve. The show is NOT going anywhere so they need to listen to the critiques (pros and cons) and see how they can improve for next year. Automatically dismissing it does not help the show in any way. NBC has a problem right now, and it's a big one. Their base is not expanding, in fact it's shrinking. They need to find out how to fix it. It works both ways though. You say that like tbowman WASN'T putting us down for not having the same problems with the show.
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