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Post by blah123 on Jul 9, 2014 8:02:16 GMT -5
ANW has been forcing competitor nicknames down viewers' throats recently (David Campbell = "The Godfather", James McGrath = "The Beast", Paul Kasemir = "First Try Paul", etc.). But would it be better to instead classify ANW veterans as "All-Stars"? The term originated for the Sasuke All Stars around the 6th tournament or so. And here we are in ANW6. Is it time? Would casual fans be able to better relate to a small set of such competitors, rather than the smorgasbord of ambiguous white dudes? If you had to choose 6 or so ANW "All Stars", who would they be?
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Post by arsenette on Jul 9, 2014 8:25:11 GMT -5
If it meant that they got a bye to Vegas then yes, but knowing that NBC won't ever do that then no. The structure of ANW makes it impossible to have a small group like the All-stars because of the sheer amount of people they throw at the course. Sasuke had 100 people. ANW has how many hundreds? Putting titles them won't solve the problem. NBC has a hard time even keeping up with their own history let alone remember who they want to put titles on. Also, they have proven that they are fickle on who they want to promote. So far how many runs of your favorites have either been deleted or fast forwarded just this season? So given all that, I voted no.
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Post by TCM on Jul 9, 2014 8:41:56 GMT -5
The way I see it is they essentially have a core set of people they prefer to promote, they just don't explicity lump them all in.
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Post by blah123 on Jul 9, 2014 9:22:53 GMT -5
Also, they have proven that they are fickle on who they want to promote. So far how many runs of your favorites have either been deleted or fast forwarded just this season? So given all that, I voted no. No doubt they are random on who they promote. I am not arguing that. But I think that's the problem for the casual viewer -- there are too many people, rookies especially, for the viewer to become emotionally attached to. Part of the hook of Sasuke for me was becoming emotionally attached to 5 people, and not really caring about the other 95. I'm not saying NBC isn't fickle. I'm saying they shouldn't be, and that copying the All-Star model (or something similar) would make it easier for casual viewers to become emotionally invested in the show. |
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Post by arsenette on Jul 9, 2014 10:15:54 GMT -5
Also, they have proven that they are fickle on who they want to promote. So far how many runs of your favorites have either been deleted or fast forwarded just this season? So given all that, I voted no. No doubt they are random on who they promote. I am not arguing that. But I think that's the problem for the casual viewer -- there are too many people, rookies especially, for the viewer to become emotionally attached to. Part of the hook of Sasuke for me was becoming emotionally attached to 5 people, and not really caring about the other 95. I'm not saying NBC isn't fickle. I'm saying they shouldn't be, and that copying the All-Star model (or something similar) would make it easier for casual viewers to become emotionally invested in the show. Oh I agree with you! I voted no because I don't think it will solve the issue with the format of the NBC show and given NBC's history. |
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Post by gt4dom on Jul 9, 2014 11:12:02 GMT -5
They shouldnt yet, theres only been 2 "proper" American tournaments and they all did kinda rubbish in both of them tbh  I'd give it a couple more tournaments and then maybe yes, but it needs to be 5/6 people who are consistently good on the course so that they are really well known and recognised. Also they have to be "everyday" people like the real All Stars so audiences can really get behind them as I think that would be a more popular decision than 6 free-running/rock-climbing people. Its always nice to get behind Fisherman, Painters and the rest ^^ If so from now though I would have to say: David Campbell (IF they recognise ANW1 through 4 performances in Japan) Brian Arnold Brent Steffersen Drew Dreschel Then I honestly have no idea, no one really sticks out as an all-star minus David imo  |
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Post by thatoneuser on Jul 10, 2014 7:52:04 GMT -5
No, because if they did, the All-Stars would be Brent, Kacy, Kyle Cochran, maybe Isaac Caldiero, and some other random person no one cares about
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jul 10, 2014 8:08:58 GMT -5
Nah I think the name should remain as such in Japan. That name is theirs alone.
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Post by SasukeForever on Jul 10, 2014 8:15:02 GMT -5
Unfortunately Brent is basically an All-Star now because the last 2 years he failed qualifying and I know he made it as a wildcard last year and heck he probably made it again this year. I really like Brent but NBC is in love with Kacy and her.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jul 10, 2014 8:20:24 GMT -5
Unfortunately Brent is basically an All-Star now because the last 2 years he failed qualifying and I know he made it as a wildcard last year and heck he probably made it again this year. I really like Brent but NBC is in love with Kacy and her. well it makes sense. We never saw a girl pass the warped wall until she did it in Dallas (which coincidentally is nearly where I live) |
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Post by yamfriend on Jul 11, 2014 0:30:49 GMT -5
IMO, they should just stick with their current system of classification (veterans, rookies, walk-ons, celebrities/athletes, etc.). It seems to be working well thus far, plus there are far too many people to focus on that may fit the status of "All-Star".
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Post by cole77000 on Jul 12, 2014 19:05:01 GMT -5
I would not say that they should be crowning all stars at this point. We havent seen nearly enough competitions to determine who not only is able to do well but do well consistently as well. Additionally, I wouldnt like them to hand out a title like that without it actually meaning anything in the compeition.
If they decide to give out rankings I would really like to see a formalized system in which people can win a bye through the preliminary and the regional final. Ex: all stage 2 clearers get a bye, 5 consecutive stage 1 clears, etc.
On the flip side though, it wouldn't leave much room for wild cards, and there are of course a few arguments in favor of having those including having more women in Vegas for variety, helping out good competitors who whiffed in the preliminary, etc.
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Post by kangaroo on Jul 15, 2014 11:01:37 GMT -5
They shouldnt yet, theres only been 2 "proper" American tournaments and they all did kinda rubbish in both of them tbh I'd give it a couple more tournaments and then maybe yes, but it needs to be 5/6 people who are consistently good on the course so that they are really well known and recognised. Also they have to be "everyday" people like the real All Stars so audiences can really get behind them as I think that would be a more popular decision than 6 free-running/rock-climbing people. Its always nice to get behind Fisherman, Painters and the rest ^^ If so from now though I would have to say: David Campbell (IF they recognise ANW1 through 4 performances in Japan) Brian Arnold Brent Steffersen Drew Dreschel Then I honestly have no idea, no one really sticks out as an all-star minus David imo Joe the Weatherman Moravsky is becoming one of mine come on the Dude is a weatherman and Brian Arnold I would say is an Allstar at this point |
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Post by Oti on Jul 16, 2014 3:03:30 GMT -5
There's already a group of All-Stars, and they're called the Forum Guys. Right Rider?
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I'd give it a couple more tournaments and then maybe yes, but it needs to be 5/6 people who are consistently good on the course so that they are really well known and recognised. Also they have to be "everyday" people like the real All Stars so audiences can really get behind them as I think that would be a more popular decision than 6 free-running/rock-climbing people. Its always nice to get behind Fisherman, Painters and the rest ^^
