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Post by jfeathe on Jun 27, 2013 8:17:20 GMT -5
.. swimming has nothing to do with sasuke.. This sums it all up.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jun 27, 2013 8:18:43 GMT -5
.. swimming has nothing to do with sasuke.. This sums it all up. It tests your speed, strength, and endurance. Things most other obstacles in Sasuke happen to do.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 27, 2013 8:23:40 GMT -5
It tests your speed, strength, and endurance. Things most other obstacles in Sasuke happen to do. No.. it tests if you are a swimmer. Plenty of non-swimmers do well in Sasuke. It doesn't belong in Sasuke. Period. It's not a "obstacle".
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Post by jfeathe on Jun 27, 2013 8:25:09 GMT -5
It tests your speed, strength, and endurance. Things most other obstacles in Sasuke happen to do. The Shoulder Walk tested those things and it was a horrendous obstacle, as well. There are certain obstacles that simply don't work.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jun 27, 2013 8:30:25 GMT -5
It tests your speed, strength, and endurance. Things most other obstacles in Sasuke happen to do. No.. it tests if you are a swimmer. Plenty of non-swimmers do well in Sasuke. It doesn't belong in Sasuke. Period. It's not a "obstacle". Kay. So let's make the same argument for the Wall Lift. It tests if you're a weight lifter. (In reality, weight lifting requires strength) Can non-weight lifters complete the obstacle? Yes, in fact plenty of non-weight lifters do well in Sasuke. The Backstream tests if you're a swimmer. (In reality, swimming tests your speed, strength, and endurance) Can non-swimmers complete the obstacle? Well, if someone who is light as a feather such as Ryo was able to complete the Wall Lift in 27, then I'm sure the other competitors can complete the Backstream as well. Besides the fact that I'm sure all of them can swim.
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Post by zdude69closedrofl on Jun 27, 2013 8:31:44 GMT -5
It tests your speed, strength, and endurance. Things most other obstacles in Sasuke happen to do. No.. it tests if you are a swimmer. Plenty of non-swimmers do well in Sasuke. It doesn't belong in Sasuke. Period. It's not a "obstacle". So true.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 27, 2013 8:33:29 GMT -5
Wall is an obstacle. Water is not. You either can swim or you don't. Simple as that. Besides we had 15 years conditioning people that you didn't have to learn how to swim. If you skimmed the water you were out. I agree with Yuuji from Sasuke 28.. it doesn't belong there (and he passed it then). I suspect with the amount of bitching to Inui on twitter and it trending on twitter during that time to get rid of it that TBS will get rid of hit because Japanese fans hate it.
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Post by shadowlink11 on Jun 27, 2013 8:45:37 GMT -5
Urushihara's upset on this obstacle was a shocker
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jun 27, 2013 8:47:46 GMT -5
Wall is an obstacle. Water is not. You either can swim or you don't. Simple as that. Besides we had 15 years conditioning people that you didn't have to learn how to swim. If you skimmed the water you were out. I agree with Yuuji from Sasuke 28.. it doesn't belong there (and he passed it then). I suspect with the amount of bitching to Inui on twitter and it trending on twitter during that time to get rid of it that TBS will get rid of hit because Japanese fans hate it. So your argument comes down to stating that water isn't an obstacle. A pretty harsh current in a pool sounds like an obstacle to me. Definition: Noun A thing that blocks one's way or prevents or hinders progress. You can either swim or you don't? Don't. The obstacle was there in 28. You shouldn't sign up for the competition if you can't swim when you know there's a pretty good chance it'll be there again.
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Post by SRW on Jun 27, 2013 8:53:17 GMT -5
time limit too strict but the back stream was beautiful
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Post by arsenette on Jun 27, 2013 8:54:25 GMT -5
Wall is an obstacle. Water is not. You either can swim or you don't. Simple as that. Besides we had 15 years conditioning people that you didn't have to learn how to swim. If you skimmed the water you were out. I agree with Yuuji from Sasuke 28.. it doesn't belong there (and he passed it then). I suspect with the amount of bitching to Inui on twitter and it trending on twitter during that time to get rid of it that TBS will get rid of hit because Japanese fans hate it. So your argument comes down to stating that water isn't an obstacle. A pretty harsh current in a pool sounds like an obstacle to me. Definition: Noun A thing that blocks one's way or prevents or hinders progress. You can either swim or you don't? Don't. The obstacle was there in 28. You shouldn't sign up for the competition if you can't swim when you know there's a pretty good chance it'll be there again. Now you see YOU are taking it personal. It's not an "obstacle" in Sasuke for 15 years. In fact they have LIFE GUARDS in Stage 1 for those who can't swim (which is a lot).. so the throwaway line to not show up because you can't swim is sour grapes from a swimming fanatic. I love swimming.. for me that's the REAL sport in the Summer Olympics next to gymnastics (I don't watch sprints), however this is not the triathlon. You shouldn't be required to swim in a 16 year old event. This is not how Sasuke was created and maintained. It's an unfair advantage to those who can swim. It didn't belong in 28 and it certainly does not belong in 29. Adding current to further make it harder doesn't help the cause either. As for the wall ever since Levi Meeuwenberg for his foot caught on it and M9 freaked out and raised the wall it changed (and damaged) the walls in my opinion. THAT should be down to the ground. I gave Ryo crap for crawling underneath it then and I give crap to Morimoto now. Since the Americans won't be back probably it's time to lower the wall back to it's pre-21 form.
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Post by intelligentinfer on Jun 27, 2013 9:00:43 GMT -5
Replace the UB and stage 2's perfect
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Post by gt4dom on Jun 27, 2013 9:04:11 GMT -5
This will make the guessing game interesting
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Post by YoDaUO on Jun 27, 2013 11:31:23 GMT -5
You do not need to know how to swim to clear that tank obstacle. I hope it stays. Maybe more competitors should take their shirts off for that obstacle at least because swimming with clothes is much harder.
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Post by VeryCoolAlan on Jun 27, 2013 12:11:10 GMT -5
I vote yes for backstream. I mean the course is meant to test your abilities isn't it?
Swimming is an ability ..as is hanging ..running..etc...
If you can't swim..you time out If you can't run for a ling time..you time out. If you don't have the upperbody needed ...you fall after your muscles time out.
So there is no problem ..all that was weird was Yuuji failing...i wouldve thought he would be the most prepared.
I mean somebody correct me if im wrong
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Post by arsenette on Jun 27, 2013 12:34:49 GMT -5
Been talking to a few people in Japan and they all mentioned that the competitors like Shingo and Kouji mentioned that it was ridiculous. They are both avid surfers and the rip current was wicked. Shingo in particular came out to say "I'm actually a good swimmer so that was surprising to see". or something to that effect. Yuuji trained hard in placid water. He was doing great until he got to the power jets.. then it pushed him all the way back to the beginning. It's like fighting a rip current at the beach.. insane and uncalled for.
P.S. A LOT of fails had people who had taken off their shirts so that argument is bogus.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 13:12:22 GMT -5
I was also surprised to see Shingo struggle. He started out fine, but then it looked like the jets hit him and he couldn't go any further. And being an avid surfer, he would HAVE to be a good swimmer. Now imagine putting someone who is weak swimmer in there. For example, I've only recently learned how to swim. I'm still not a strong swimmer. I can float, I can do the crawl (sort of), and I can dog paddle. But that's in still water, with my friend/teacher, Dustin, supervising me and helping me when I need it. And that's only at the surface of the water, not diving down further. If I had been there and tried to swim in that tank, I would have started floundering immediately. If even a strong swimmer like Shingo was struggling, what would happen to someone who can barely swim at all? As Arsenette pointed out, there a lot of competitors who can't swim, hence the lifeguards. The Backstream needs to go.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 27, 2013 13:36:17 GMT -5
As much as I think water should be a fail I don't think it should be removed, I kinda like it, but it should not be like 29... it needs toned back down to 28 level, I like seeing stage 2 turned legit, time limit was great if the backstream wasn't set to overkill...
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Post by sdolnicek on Jun 27, 2013 13:56:58 GMT -5
I like it, but the time limit was extremely low. ( Kongu had the best time a nd finished with 5.1 sec left)
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Post by RedHerring on Jun 27, 2013 14:38:35 GMT -5
There was a graphic they showed during the course rundown of the backstream. It showed the jets push the water at the top of the tank backwards while at the bottom of the tank there was a forward moving current. Even so, most competitors just swam at the top. You think that graphic was not accurate or they just didn't give the competitors this information?
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