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Post by Philip on Jan 10, 2013 19:15:47 GMT -5
Constructive criticism, mkay?
What I feel needs to be improved:
-I have no problem with the celeb room, just don't make it the main focus of the show. -If the All Stars are returning, please don't make them the main focus. - Redesign the First and Second Stages to be more balanced but still difficult, and make the stages shorter and faster (And no Ni Ren Soritatsu Kabe!) -No pads please (I feel some fails were because of them) -Bring back more veteran competitors!!!
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 10, 2013 19:45:39 GMT -5
Removal of the Ni Ren Soritatsu Kabe in favor of the normal Soritatsu Kabe: It was a nice idea but it felt kind of repetitive, if possible have another obstacle in place of the first one (or before the Jump Hang Kai, but something else filling that void), possibly re-introduce the Neshireta Kabe if the idea of two walls is that appealing.
Stage 2 Obstacle 3: Since its introduction, the Unstable Bridge quickly became one of my favorite Stage 2 obstacles, but seeing the single board version in Sasuke Rising felt like an insult to the obstacle... it should be returned to how it originally was (the two board version with the second board supported by only 2 chains) or if that's not possible make some modification to it (make the board suspended by 2 chains, add a jump to dismount like in American Ninja Warrior) or replace it with something more challenging (Return of the Stick Slider, adding something like Jumping Bars or maybe just setting it up so it's just a jump to the platform from the top of the Swap Salmon Ladder).
Changing the Spider Walk: Ever since the introduction of the Jumping Spider in Sasuke 18, I feel Spider Walking evolved from being a Stage 2 thing to something for Stage 1 (it's gotten too familiar in the 9 tournaments it's been in) so a Spider Walk in stage 2 feels like a downgrade, especially one that's essentially the same path as the Jumping Spider, I feel the platform after the SSL should be lowered and if the Spider Walk has to stay in stage 2... it stays in the form of moving the Jumping Spider to the second stage, for stage 2 I feel it should be as difficult as the version from 19 or 26, but the version from 24 would work as well.
Stage 2's Time Limit: When I found out the obstacles in the stage, I had thought it would be a stage focused on speed, upon seeing the time limit I realized I was mistaken, stage 2 has been focused on speed since the beginning so I feel that should return, sure the slower obstacles like the Swap Salmon Ladder and Backstream should stay but the time limit should be lower than 135 seconds to reflect that, a speed stage shouldn't have the highest time limit of any timed stage of any tournament.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 10, 2013 20:12:02 GMT -5
Btw just a thought for those who want a full overhaul of the course with absolute specifics because of ratings. Remember.. people didn't tune in to watch by comparison to last year. What will bring back the casual viewer rather than what you hated about it are not entirely the exact same thing. The course itself is not always the reason why. Carry on
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Post by jfeathe on Jan 10, 2013 21:09:04 GMT -5
I don't think viewers care about specific obstacles, but I do think they care about the number of people clearing.
Literally every celebrity fell on the Rolling Escargot. After the first few fails, you could literally predict where everyone was going to fail. How is that any fun to watch?
Would you rather see a celebrity struggle on the Warped Wall or timeout on the Final Climb rather than see them fly off after half a rotation on the Rolling Escargot 20 seconds into the run??
I've come to the conculsion that the first simply can't be difficult anymore. There was absolutely zero excitement except for the very few who cleared, the New-Stars, and the All-Stars. It was almost annoying watching the celebrities and general competitors because you absolutely knew, with 100% certainty, that they wouldn't clear or even make a dent in the course.
I'm a hardcore fan and it was even depressing for me watching that brutal first stage.
Just look at Sasuke 1. No one prepared for the course because no one could! And it was incredibly exciting seeing the athletes crush the first stage and seeing average, but fit, competitors struggle, make it far, and squeeze out a tight finish.
The second stage did its job and narrowed the 30+ first stage clearers to 6. But even with the small clear rate, it was exciting because most competitors could make a dent.
They don't need to go quite as easy as Sasuke 1, but aiming for 25+ first stage clears along with plenty of deep first stage runs is what Sasuke needs.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 10, 2013 21:13:03 GMT -5
Well the Escargot isn't bad... but I feel it should be much later in the course, I've kinda felt that since the start, it feels like it should have taken the HPA spot
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Post by dcow on Jan 10, 2013 21:14:36 GMT -5
Don't digest the foreigners.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 10, 2013 21:25:26 GMT -5
Don't digest the foreigners. That kinda falls into what Arsenette was saying... that doesn't really matter to the Japanese viewers (Who is the core demographic), do you really think the casual viewer really cares about some guys they barely know from another country?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 21:51:01 GMT -5
Two major things I think would help. First, scrap the idea of retiring the All-Stars and other fan favorites, like the Deathly Trio. That plan (retiring the All-Stars) failed badly. They want to return and the fans want to see them return.
Second, I agree with Jfeathe. The first stage needs to be easier, like in the early tournaments. I'd like to see them bring back some of the "classic" obstacles, like the Jump Hang in the first stage, the Chain Reaction in the second stage and something like the Arm Bike, or even the Body Prop, in the third stage. I liked Sasuke 25's first stage. There was a good mix of old and new obstacles, and several people cleared it.
Originally, anyone who trained a little and stayed in good shape (both upper body and lower body) could at least clear the first stage. There wasn't much of a need for obstacle replicas, except maybe one or two, where a specific technique was needed, like the Jump Hang. As long as the competitors were in good shape, they had a good chance of clearing the first stage. The competitors didn't have to be super athletes or train constantly. Regular guys like a gas jockey, a propane tank delivery man, a firefighter, and a fisherman could easily clear the first stage. Now, the competitors pretty much have to build replicas and train a lot of the time. I'd like to see them go back to the original theme of Sasuke: ordinary people doing extraordinary things.
So, I think they need to make these two changes. First, allow the All-Stars and other fan favorites continue to compete for as long as they wish to do so. Second, make the first stage easier, and maybe bring back some of the old "classic" obstacles.
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Post by urgentemente on Jan 10, 2013 22:31:48 GMT -5
Two major things I think would help. First, scrap the idea of retiring the All-Stars and other fan favorites, like the Deathly Trio. That plan (retiring the All-Stars) failed badly. They want to return and the fans want to see them return. I definately think they need to un-retire the All-Stars (or those who want to return at least), let them retire when *they* decide. The New Generation are undoubtedly going to be (already are in some cases) excellent competitors, but don't force the long standing ones out. Same for the other faves, anyone that has been watching it for any length of time is used to seeing Mr Octopus etc, it should be there decision when to call it a day
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Post by yamfriend on Jan 11, 2013 0:29:26 GMT -5
As it's been said before, Stage 1 needs to be made considerably easier. Besides 27's First Stage (which I really enjoyed BTW), there hadn't been 20+ Stage 1 clears since the first few tournaments. With a relatively easy First Stage, a lot more surprising clears/fails would occur, and there would be a lot less repetitiveness to Stage 1 (when the majority of the broadcast shows Stage 1, it's pretty boring IMO). Specifically, it seemed as if the Rolling Escargot and Spin Bridge were the main reasons for why we saw so few clears; those two obstacles alone probably eliminated more than half of the competitors, including quite a few people who would've otherwise had a good shot at clearing at least Stage 1. Point blank, if in 29 these two obstacles are removed (or at least modified to be slightly easier), along with an additional 5-10 seconds being included on the clock, I can see a lot more people making it into the later stages.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2013 11:13:54 GMT -5
Definitely allow the All-Stars to continue to compete. Takeda posted on his FB a little while ago, and said yet again that he wants to continue to compete. His friends are all encouraging him to continue. Nagano (via whoever is updating his FB page for him) said that he has really missed having Takeda at Sasuke to thump him on the back. He wants to Takeda to return. Even Inui told Takeda (Bing translator) "You should continue." He also said something about finalists, so I'm guessing he wants Takeda to continue at least until he reaches the final stage.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Jan 11, 2013 15:12:34 GMT -5
To me, the easier First Stages are more fun to watch. 23 and 27 are my two favorite tournaments since Nagano won because they were fast stages with a lot of clears. The way 28's stage is set up now is perfect for that. They don't even have to do much, all they would have to do is make the Spin Bridge similar to 27's (aka easier). That would result in more people at the Jump Hang and the wall, which will increase clears.
For 28, they definitely wanted to go with a more retro feel and have a "classic" First Stage like something you may see in Sasuke 13. That idea was great although back then, not too many people failed the bridge obstacle in the third position. They do that and you'll see results similar to then which had about 12 clears. Add in the strong international competitors from America, Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore, and whereever else and that number could balloon to close to 20.
Imagine if you had NAOTO from Sasuke 26 clear the stage. That would be a huge ratings boost and keep people interested further. The First Stage doesn't need to be Sasuke 1-4 easy, but something like Sasuke 11-13 is perfect.
Also, keep the All-Stars that want to keep competing, just don't make them the main focus of the show. The focus now should be on the Shin Sedai.
As for the Second Stage, I didn't mind the Backstream, but I didn't care for it either. It was ok, but I feel like if someone was low on time, they really couldn't make up time there. I like that the Second Stage is intended to be more about speed and I like that they brought the Spider Walk back. The SSL is good but the one board UB should go. Personally, a Second Stage like we saw around Sasuke 11-17 is great, and with new obstacles in their like the SSL I think it will be a great stage.
Third Stage imo is perfect as is.
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Post by thatoneuser on Jan 11, 2013 19:54:42 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I don't think the ratings hinge on the All-Stars. They never have. People will watch the First Stage for the comedians and the hardcore fans will stick around for the Second Stage and beyond. Honestly they could gut the concept of the Second, Third, and Final Stages, kick out all the All-Stars, and have 50 comedians along with 50 regular guys and the show would have 20+ ratings.
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Post by dyer on Jan 11, 2013 20:20:30 GMT -5
Hmm..........Maybe TBS should try to get Kane Kosugi to come back one more time, now that M9 doesn't exist anymore. The ratings would really increase, maybe not to the level of 20+ ratings, but somewhere close to that.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 14, 2013 18:51:35 GMT -5
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 14, 2013 20:06:55 GMT -5
One suggestion in regards to a point you made in the blog... I think there could be a win/win situation... About the All Stars retiring, I think the title should be the thing retired, we had the All Stars, they were great in their time (still good competitors, just varying degrees of success now), now they're graduated, but instead of forcing them out, the members should be able to compete, just without the "All Star" title, like Nagano just as fisherman/second man to achieve Kanzen Seiha, Takeda as a member of a special rescue team, Shingo as the only person with perfect attendance, that kinda thing... (granted I could have finished the list with Akiyama as massage therapist/first person to achieve Kanzen Seiha and Yamada as part-time worker (because often times "arubaito" is used without giving specifics) but still )
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2013 4:32:10 GMT -5
Stage 1: Make the first wall of the Warped Walls a Crooked Wall, keep the Jump Hang, Make Quad Steps a Step Slider and add a Bridge of Blades. Stage 2: Add a 2nd Board on Unstable Bridge, make Spider Walk look harder and shorten Time Limit. Stage 3: Add a Globe Grasp. Stage 4: DONT MAKE IT A ROPE CLIMB!!! WAY TOO EASY! lol
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Mar 3, 2013 13:36:13 GMT -5
Maybe replace the Unstable Bridge with the Spider Walk, so you have swing from the SSL to the Spider Walk. Get rid of the Escargot, I'm bored of it. Nothing to do with Takeda failing there. NOTHING AT ALL.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2013 10:58:05 GMT -5
wrestlingfan55 It would be hard to transfer from SSL - Spider Walk wouldnt it?
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Mar 4, 2013 12:15:39 GMT -5
wrestlingfan55 It would be hard to transfer from SSL - Spider Walk wouldnt it? Well they swing and jump from the bar from the SSL to the Spider Walk (without the bar of course) so it seems possible to me.
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