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Post by Philip on Jul 26, 2012 9:43:16 GMT -5
Would any results be different?
I personally think there would be 40-50 clears in Stage 1, 15 clears in Stage 2, and maybe 1 or 2 Stage 3 clears.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 26, 2012 10:00:12 GMT -5
Honestly yes. If it was the same production set up (one day) and organized the same way and more importantly BUILT by them.. yes I do believe it would have been an onslaught of clears.
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Post by higeboshi on Jul 26, 2012 10:11:14 GMT -5
I imagine there would be fewer falls on the balance tank and spinning bridge, for one.
The paint job (if there was one on some obstacles) wouldn't have been nearly as pretty. I liked the coloration, but they need to use a paint that has a negligible effect on surface slickness/roughness.
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Post by TCM on Jul 26, 2012 12:22:12 GMT -5
IDK about 40-50 clears, because if TBS built the course, I think the HPA would have been the killer because of the small landing. We definitely would have been close to the SASUKE 4 record though. That gets remedied if you use the Rolling Escargot instead of the Rolling Log. The Spinning Bridge and Balance Tank would still get fails (likely not as much), but not because they were ridiculously padded. Stage 2, we'd have more clears for sure, but at the same time if you use 27's time limit for Stage 2, a few would time out (90 seconds compared to 105). Stage 3/4 would still be a toss up.
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Post by dcow on Jul 26, 2012 12:59:07 GMT -5
And if they stuck to the strict 30 seconds in stage three.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 26, 2012 13:34:35 GMT -5
IDK about 40-50 clears, because if TBS built the course, I think the HPA would have been the killer because of the small landing. We definitely would have been close to the SASUKE 4 record though. That gets remedied if you use the Rolling Escargot instead of the Rolling Log. The Spinning Bridge and Balance Tank would still get fails (likely not as much), but not because they were ridiculously padded. Stage 2, we'd have more clears for sure, but at the same time if you use 27's time limit for Stage 2, a few would time out (90 seconds compared to 105). Stage 3/4 would still be a toss up. Well plenty of people still failed the HPA, That and the Jumping Spider were the big killers, and most of the JS fails were because of technique, but I sense more people getting to the rope of the HPA. As for Stage 2 I think we would definitely have more success, although I'm not sure if we'd see that many time outs, you notice most of the time losses people had was due to trying to deal with the flawed obstacles, this is really evident in runs like Paul Kasemir, he was clearly having issues with the DSL when both times in Japan he was going through it smoothly. Also the Balance Tank would have the shorter track, it was definitely longer in Vegas (hell, the length was like the original Balance Tank...) Also as for the Escargot I think this is a hypothetical if we have the same obstacle lineup, like let's say G4 told TBS what obstacles they want to have for their course and TBS sets it up for them. Also I think Brent would have failed somewhere on the UCH if this was up to Sasuke standards of both construction and rule enforcement, he did go through it smoothly but his transfer from 3 to 4 was really sloppy really, he was hanging for too long and wasting energy, I think he probably would have met the same fate that David did in 27. Although speaking of David, if this was up to Sasuke standards, I think this would be his moment, two fails on the UCH means he must be going crazy with the Stage 3 prep.
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Post by kangaroo on Jul 26, 2012 16:10:14 GMT -5
Something i noticed the people that seemed to clear the spinning bridge where using more of a high step on their run had less problems and a couple just skipped the first ball. The people that just ran and did not get their feet way up seemed to have issues slipping, catching their toes etc. Which of course was due to the ball designs. Just something I noticed while watching it this year.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Jul 26, 2012 16:14:33 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure David tripped on the first ball and hit the second one with his toe. He probably would have failed it if the course was like 27's.
What was wrong with the Balance Tank?
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Post by TCM on Jul 26, 2012 17:23:53 GMT -5
The design of it is NOTHING like Sasuke's Balance Tank. Sasuke's Balance Tank isn't completely smooth, it has these "bumps" (for lack of a better term). Vegas' Balance Tank was completely smooth all the way around because it was padded, and went too fast. Add that with the long track (the most recent Sasuke one with the rope is shortened), it was fixing something that wasn't broken and making it broken. I don't see how people couldn't tell the difference, TBH. Was it possible, sure, was it a necessary design change? No, like most obstacles they changed.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Jul 26, 2012 18:48:28 GMT -5
^ Well I can't see exactly watch ANW4.
It sounds like it was harder than Sasuke's which is a good thing to me, then again I haven't watched ANW4 except for a few clips.
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Post by TCM on Jul 26, 2012 19:43:06 GMT -5
There's a difference between being harder and being poorly designed. Especially when the show claimed numerous times that they followed the specifications exactly.
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Post by baronbk on Jul 26, 2012 19:51:22 GMT -5
Definitely would have been more clears. Lots of fails would have come at the RE, but every other obstacle would have more success on them. There would have been a grand champion if it was built by TBS.
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Post by jfeathe on Jul 26, 2012 20:15:24 GMT -5
ANW's Balance Tank was as light as a toilet paper roll with some plushy toilet paper still left on it. It's a miracle anyone cleared it.
Although the Japanese Balance Tank had it's fair share of fails, it was actually possible to gain some control (and in the case of Nagano, almost complete control).
Unfortunately, even though most of the course was dead on, it only took a couple of bad design decisions to mess things up big time.
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Post by RedHerring on Jul 26, 2012 23:59:50 GMT -5
ANW's Balance Tank was as light as a toilet paper roll with some plushy toilet paper still left on it. It's a miracle anyone cleared it. Yeah, no kidding. It looked like someone could pick it up and throw it. I'm amazed it got a couple clears.
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Post by RobbyMac on Jul 27, 2012 1:50:57 GMT -5
I'm convinced this stage 1 was easier than Sasuke 27's stage 1.... so I'd bet there'd be more fails.
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Post by Amber on Jul 27, 2012 2:47:26 GMT -5
Also when i was watching a replay, I saw something on the Metal Spin chains. It looked like anyone could easily slide right off of it.They really need TBS to make the next ANW that is in all America.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 27, 2012 3:21:33 GMT -5
Also when i was watching a replay, I saw something on the Metal Spin chains. It looked like anyone could easily slide right off of it.They really need TBS to make the next ANW that is in all America. Yeah it seems to be that way, in Japan there is rubber over the chains but it's like a wrap thing that still lets the grooves of the chains stick out so there's a surface to grab, the ANW4 one was just like round tubing over chains
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Post by Amber on Jul 27, 2012 12:53:14 GMT -5
Yeah. Its hard to see in Japan.When someone got to the Metal Spin I could clearly see it.But in Japan its much harder to see. While in America i can see it from a distance.When looking at it closely i wonder how anyone could hold onto it.
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Post by baronbk on Jul 27, 2012 13:12:04 GMT -5
I'm convinced this stage 1 was easier than Sasuke 27's stage 1.... so I'd bet there'd be more fails. The only thing easier was the rolling log instead of escargot. Otherwise ANW was a much harder course, per personal observation and competitors who ran both.
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Post by RobbyMac on Jul 27, 2012 16:15:13 GMT -5
I'm convinced this stage 1 was easier than Sasuke 27's stage 1.... so I'd bet there'd be more fails. The only thing easier was the rolling log instead of escargot. Otherwise ANW was a much harder course, per personal observation and competitors who ran both. ...The HPA was easier... way easier. The people who failed it assumed it was the same as Japan and you can run up the wall. If you actually looked at the obstacle and saw you can run across the bottom with no problem.... there wouldn't have been as many fails. Maybe the JS was harder because of the trampoline being lower but everyone I saw that failed it failed because of horrible form... not because they had to jump down a foot... or whatever it was. The WW may have been higher but the run up looked larger. I could be wrong with this but it looked like you had more of a chance to gain momentum before reaching the top of it.... The only obstacle I believe you can really say was harder was the Spinning bridge. The balls were bigger and they were padded. Now I would like to say the time limit was lenient and with the step slider and the giant swing being the same in difficulty in my opinion (despite the fact your feet doesn't reach the landing pad without jumping on the GS.) I think the results would have been around the same. Just different people would have cleared/failed.
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