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Post by sasukefan on Oct 6, 2011 8:03:09 GMT -5
The distance has more to do with generation than anything. GENERATION?!?! There's only 6 years of difference between Nagano and Yuuji!!! That's not really a generation gap Don't make such an old man of him... Unless you meant All-Stars - New-Stars gap...
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Post by RiderLeangle on Oct 6, 2011 13:16:28 GMT -5
The distance has more to do with generation than anything. GENERATION?!?! There's only 6 years of difference between Nagano and Yuuji!!! That's not really a generation gap Don't make such an old man of him... Unless you meant All-Stars - New-Stars gap... Generation isn't exactly about age, it's about their eras in Sasuke, Nagano started way back in Sasuke 7, Yuuji didn't show up until half way through Shin Sasuke (21 for those who don't know), pretty big gap of generation there
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Post by dudesky1000 on Oct 6, 2011 13:27:24 GMT -5
Nagano wasn't really on anyone's radar until SASUKE 9, and Yuuji wasn't on anyone's radar until SASUKE 22. I think the problem is that we have learned to sympathize with Nagano over the years. Notice how people think of Nagano more fondly than Akiyama? It is because Akiyama also came pretty much out of nowhere and won, whereas we saw Nagano fight and lose to the final stage and third stage several times before he won. Akiyama's victory is admired a lot, don't get me wrong, but it's a very different kind of sympathy (Akiyama has a visual handicap and a heartwrenching story). That and Nagano and Akiyama are basically common men who have magnificent bodies and character.
For those who did not watch the trials or pay attention to the UNCLI, Yuuji was basically an unknown guy that has never seen failure in SASUKE (as far as the average viewer knows). He had no failures that made people as sad as seeing Nagano fail the final stage or third stage in 14-16, and he never went shirtless!!
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Post by TCM on Oct 6, 2011 13:38:30 GMT -5
Put that in further perspective:
Nagano got on the show in 2001 -- This was during the end of the Kane Kosugi era (Akiyama may have won, but Kane got the publicity because of his status)
Yuuji started trying out for the show in 2003 -- To my knowledge, the All-Star moniker has had some steam and is gaining more at this point.
Nagano and Yuuji's first tournament together was in 2008 -- 5 full years after Yuuji's been trying to get on. Ultimately, 7 years -- In Sasuke time, that is a massive amount of time that went by.
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Post by TCM on Oct 6, 2011 14:00:44 GMT -5
Nagano wasn't really on anyone's radar until SASUKE 9, and Yuuji wasn't on anyone's radar until SASUKE 22. I think the problem is that we have learned to sympathize with Nagano over the years. Notice how people think of Nagano more fondly than Akiyama? It is because Akiyama also came pretty much out of nowhere and won, whereas we saw Nagano fight and lose to the final stage and third stage several times before he won. Akiyama's victory is admired a lot, don't get me wrong, but it's a very different kind of sympathy (Akiyama has a visual handicap and a heartwrenching story). That and Nagano and Akiyama are basically common men who have magnificent bodies and character. For those who did not watch the trials or pay attention to the UNCLI, Yuuji was basically an unknown guy that has never seen failure in SASUKE (as far as the average viewer knows). He had no failures that made people as sad as seeing Nagano fail the final stage or third stage in 14-16, and he never went shirtless!! Apologize for the double post (although something tells me at least one person will have posted by the time you see this) but a couple things: - Akiyama's story started gaining exposure after he had won (which he shouldn't be faulted for, nor should his story been seen as lesser), but you fail to realize that Akiyama was not only not cut in 2 or 3, but he had 100 and 99 respectively in those tournaments, yes, he failed the same obstacle there twice and as he should, was given a lower number, but he also didn't get digested and the crowd was pretty excited to see him win. - Yuuji's history not being known to many is the fault of TBS as has been stated, just within these past couple years we've been able to even see trials like the Monkey Bars or having the chances to re-watch 21's trials or Bug in Miki, etc (I don't even think 13's trials has ever been placed online). And the way you explain your points, you make it seem Yuuji has been on the show forever; he's only appeared 7 times and 3 of those were Final Stage appearances. Nearly clears First Stage, Nearly wins, Gives us the best Unstable Bridge fail we've had, Wins, Gives us one of if not the weirdest fail we've seen, Makes a fantastic recovery on the JS but gets taken out the next obstacle, Wins again. He's done all of that in just the 7 tournaments he's been around, never mind every time he's reached Stage 3 he's literally had no problems on it. It took Nagano a bit before he could showcase his talents, Yuuji's been showing them since he started more or less. My point is that because Nagano has been held on a pedestal by TBS for so long, no one else can go "Hey, there's other people who are good at this too!" without being compared by Nagano, and lessening the success of others because they don't fall into a "standard" of what a Sasuke competitor should be. It's why it's ridiculous to compare Akiyama to Nagano to Yuuji and any other combinations; they are all three working guys who can so happen to kick a** on an obstacle course. If you treat one as "better" than the other too much, the spirit of the show gets lost IMO and it's no better than any other sport or game show.
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Post by cole77000 on Oct 7, 2011 1:52:53 GMT -5
I am really happy for Yuuji. He is amazing and he totally deserves that second clear. (I wasn't really a fan of the third or final stage though. Nothing against Yuuji because those stages were plenty difficult. I'm just not a fan of the course designers right now due to aestetic reasons lol)
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Post by supersheep on Oct 7, 2011 10:04:50 GMT -5
It reminds me of the Ruth/Maris stuff from 1961.
Babe Ruth hit 60 home runs (record) in 1927 and was loved by fans everwhere as a baseball hero.
In 1961, Roger Maris was getting close to 60, and everyone hated him for it. Even the commishioner of baseball publically questioned the record if he got it because Maris would have played in more games. It was almost like it was taboo to try to do anything better than Ruth. In the end, Maris got to 61 home runs and broke Ruth's record.
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Post by thatoneuser on Oct 7, 2011 10:40:06 GMT -5
Not to mention that anyone who's beaten 61 has been accused of steroid use, and that's taboo in and of itself. There was actually a failed legislation that tried to return the record to Maris.
*Back on topic?*
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Post by supersheep on Oct 7, 2011 11:02:08 GMT -5
McGwire/Bonds would be like if Yamada and Levi admitted to doping up so they could get kanzenseiha. That's cheating, Maris/Yuuji didn't cheat, they were just better than everyone's hero.
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Post by ccisback94 on Oct 7, 2011 18:26:26 GMT -5
I just watched Sasuke27 today..amazing. Yuuji's run was spectacular.
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Post by sasukefan on Oct 7, 2011 18:30:35 GMT -5
My point is that because Nagano has been held on a pedestal by TBS for so long, no one else can go "Hey, there's other people who are good at this too!" without being compared by Nagano, and lessening the success of others because they don't fall into a "standard" of what a Sasuke competitor should be. It's why it's ridiculous to compare Akiyama to Nagano to Yuuji and any other combinations; they are all three working guys who can so happen to kick a** on an obstacle course. If you treat one as "better" than the other too much, the spirit of the show gets lost IMO and it's no better than any other sport or game show. You're so much right !!! But I have to admit that one of the reason why I admire Nagano so much is the fact that I could see him making progress. I somehow don't ...trust..(that's not a good word, I know, don't kill me for that) those who come there first time and get to 3d stage or win. I'm not thinking of Yuuji here - it's a general thought. It was easier for Nagano to make people love him - he represent the history of the show. Present competitors first build replicas, practice on them until they feel they are prepared and then go to participate in SASUKE. No one wants to risk embarrassment..unless it's Mr Octopus - thank God for him
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Post by cdogy2014 on Feb 13, 2012 19:58:16 GMT -5
It is amazing that Yuuji has won twice now! He also never looks tired when he completes a stage. He has really proved him self to be a new star and if he keeps it up he could become a All-Star!
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