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Post by Badalight on Dec 17, 2010 16:21:42 GMT -5
If you know time is a factor.. Why would you take 15 minutes?... And really if someone needed to take 15 minutes on the course... They wouldn't even be close to the top 30 anyways... No offense... but put some more thought before you post bada... Do you know what you're talking about? David's suggestion was they should take whoever gets the farthest, simple as that. Time WOULDN'T be a factor unless 15 people finished the course. That's also a very ignorant and simply untrue statement rider. Are you saying Nagano doesn't deserve to be in stage 3 because he took a bunch of time resting on obstacles? No... It took him forever to beat stage 3 in 17. Also rider, think of the situations people could be in. What if you were the 30th person to run, and only 10 people had completed the course? Then time would NOT be a factor going by David's scenario of simply getting the furthest.
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Post by arsenette on Dec 17, 2010 16:34:22 GMT -5
Bada if you are going to quote David quote him correctly. He was told by G4 or whoever was running the course and telling people "Furthest.. FASTEST".. BOTH words were used in conjunction.. that is a common sense rule.. BUT they didn't tell people exactly WHERE they were determining "furthest". That is the real problem. Considering that David luckily passed the entire stage it didn't affect him but others who DID lose their spots because whoever made the rule did NOT relay the specific placement of the "furthest" to their own competitors was their real problem. Given the current information all 30 contestants were going for time because they were going for speed.. they just didn't realize where the imaginary line was drawn.
As for Nagano rule he broke the 30 second mark between obstacles but it wasn't in the minutes range.. at most he went a minute between certain sections and most of that I was told was because they were resetting cameras and not what I originally thought "him hamming it up". Of course him talking to his friends was fun to watch and I mistakenly thought that he was making them wait for him when it was actually the other way around. Still funny to call it the Nagano rule but it was not applied correctly in this case.
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Post by Oti on Dec 17, 2010 16:35:44 GMT -5
Yeah, I didn't really get how they chose the top 15. When I heard they were running out of people and they were nowhere close to 15, I was hoping they'd start bringing in more alternates. #40 FTW.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Dec 17, 2010 16:40:02 GMT -5
If you know time is a factor.. Why would you take 15 minutes?... And really if someone needed to take 15 minutes on the course... They wouldn't even be close to the top 30 anyways... No offense... but put some more thought before you post bada... Do you know what you're talking about? David's suggestion was they should take whoever gets the farthest, simple as that. Time WOULDN'T be a factor unless 15 people finished the course. That's also a very ignorant and simply untrue statement rider. Are you saying Nagano doesn't deserve to be in stage 3 because he took a bunch of time resting on obstacles? No... It took him forever to beat stage 3 in 17. Also rider, think of the situations people could be in. What if you were the 30th person to run, and only 10 people had completed the course? Then time would NOT be a factor going by David's scenario of simply getting the furthest. Not saying that at all.. Stage 3 is untimed (Aside from 30 second rests but arsenette just went over that..), ANW, both of them, in both qualifier and semis are timed, you want to be fast as possible to beat out the other people there... People who were getting through the course in less time than the time on Sasuke were getting eliminated... If someone was going to take 15 minutes they weren't going to make it into the semi-finals anyways... Again... think before you post... and learn to know when you've lost a debate
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Post by Badalight on Dec 17, 2010 16:40:56 GMT -5
Bada if you are going to quote David quote him correctly. He was told by G4 or whoever was running the course and telling people "Furthest.. FASTEST".. BOTH words were used in conjunction.. I wasn't talking about the official ruling, just what David's opinion was. But the current system is very flawed still. THEORETICALLY had say... Ryan Stratus taken 15 minutes to GET to the salmon ladder, then he successfully completed the salmon ladder and touched the ring, he would've moved on. I think that's pretty silly, which is why they should probably just put in a freakin time limit.
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Post by Badalight on Dec 17, 2010 16:44:01 GMT -5
Do you know what you're talking about? David's suggestion was they should take whoever gets the farthest, simple as that. Time WOULDN'T be a factor unless 15 people finished the course. That's also a very ignorant and simply untrue statement rider. Are you saying Nagano doesn't deserve to be in stage 3 because he took a bunch of time resting on obstacles? No... It took him forever to beat stage 3 in 17. Also rider, think of the situations people could be in. What if you were the 30th person to run, and only 10 people had completed the course? Then time would NOT be a factor going by David's scenario of simply getting the furthest. Not saying that at all.. Stage 3 is untimed (Aside from 30 second rests but arsenette just went over that..), ANW, both of them, in both qualifier and semis are timed, you want to be fast as possible to beat out the other people there... People who were getting through the course in less time than the time on Sasuke were getting eliminated... If someone was going to take 15 minutes they weren't going to make it into the semi-finals anyways... Again... think before you post... and learn to know when you've lost a debate Learn to read buddy. I'm saying TECHNICALLY someone could've taken 15 minutes, touched the ring slider, and they WOULD'VE moved on. That is a fact. And the semi's are not timed, you have to be faster than the other people but it does not have a time limit. If you were the last person to go and only 10 people had completed the course and if you were confident on your abilities to complete the salmon ladder, you could technically take as long as you want. I'm saying the current system is flawed, and it's my opinion. This isn't something I am trying to debate, so stop trying to sound like you've "outsmarted" me It makes you like an arse. Me and others have suggested putting in an actual time limit. I think that would fix a lot of problems. Once again this WASN'T a problem obviously, but it could've been.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Dec 17, 2010 16:48:27 GMT -5
Not saying that at all.. Stage 3 is untimed (Aside from 30 second rests but arsenette just went over that..), ANW, both of them, in both qualifier and semis are timed, you want to be fast as possible to beat out the other people there... People who were getting through the course in less time than the time on Sasuke were getting eliminated... If someone was going to take 15 minutes they weren't going to make it into the semi-finals anyways... Again... think before you post... and learn to know when you've lost a debate Learn to read buddy. I'm saying TECHNICALLY someone could've taken 15 minutes, touched the ring slider, and they WOULD'VE moved on. That is a fact. And the semi's are not timed, you have to be faster than the other people but it does not have a time limit. If you were the last person to go and only 10 people had completed the course and if you were confident on your abilities to complete the salmon ladder, you could technically take as long as you want. And I'm saying technically someone isn't going to take 15 minutes.. And I said timed.. You're timed to how fast you go, I never said time limited.. I said timed.. You're timed by how fast you are compared to everyone else based on how far you go.. That does count as being timed... timed doesn't always mean like what they do at Midoriyama... I'm saying the current system is flawed, and it's my opinion. This isn't something I am trying to debate, so stop trying to sound like you've "outsmarted" me It makes you like an arse. Keep in mind that's a two-way street... Just saying..... EDIT: BTW... No.. Even if they are the last person and only 10 people cleared someone still won't take 15 minutes... They'll still try to haul-a** because they have no guarantee they're going to even touch the Salmon Ladder... And if someone takes 15 minutes and f's up the jump.. they're out.. it's that simple.. someone won't try it...
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Post by Badalight on Dec 17, 2010 16:52:16 GMT -5
And I'm saying someone COULD.
Anyway, stop directing attacks at me. None of these comments were needed.
"No offense... but put some more thought before you post bada..."
"Again... think before you post... and learn to know when you've lost a debate"
Take it to pms if you want, because I'm done talking to you in this thread.
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Post by TCM on Dec 17, 2010 17:09:45 GMT -5
Well if pretty much most of who watched/experienced this feel the current system is flawed, why even argue over hypothetical situations and ideas in the first place? Won't give those screwed out of a spot a re-do and G4 has a year to patch up glaring mistakes.
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Post by arsenette on Dec 17, 2010 17:16:58 GMT -5
I think it's the exaggerated and inconceivable hypothetical situations that is causing the issue. It's been proven in every competition including BOTH ANW's and Sasuke and Sasuke Trials that it will not take that amount of time to get anywhere without someone besting them by quite a bit. The ruling even in it's imperfect state mentioned speed and that is what people did. When formulating a rule you first go with precedent and that's where I disagree with you (and frankly everyone else.. including someone who was subjected to such rule). That's why they have testers and whatnot. In ANW2 the problem was the location and not the rule itself per se which is why that is not helping the argument either. Not even in the qualies did we have +5 minute WW completion times.
However.. I do agree that there should be a time limit. But your rationalization for that was not helping the matter we discussed earlier and most likely why the arguments were going off in tangents.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Dec 17, 2010 17:22:38 GMT -5
BTW.. Missed the ending of the 3rd episode on wednesday (So.. 6th episode at all).. So what exactly happened after they had to talk to the host after both of them fell off the rope climb? Sorry to steer away from the semis talk but yeah.. what?
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Post by Badalight on Dec 17, 2010 17:23:02 GMT -5
You're just making it a bigger deal than it ever was supposed to be. It's just an observation of something that could've happened if someone really tried to exploit the system. A time limit would cover all, or at least most of the problems.
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Post by Badalight on Dec 17, 2010 17:24:03 GMT -5
BTW.. Missed the ending of the 3rd episode on wednesday (So.. 6th episode at all).. So what exactly happened after they had to talk to the host after both of them fell off the rope climb? Sorry to steer away from the semis talk but yeah.. what? It was whoever got higher on the climb before falling. Cisco got higher (barely) and Dorian was eliminated.
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Post by TCM on Dec 17, 2010 17:25:01 GMT -5
BTW.. Missed the ending of the 3rd episode on wednesday (So.. 6th episode at all).. So what exactly happened after they had to talk to the host after both of them fell off the rope climb? Sorry to steer away from the semis talk but yeah.. what? I think you ignore any ANW talk in chat lol Matt (the host) said that since we had no clear cut winner since neither got to the end of the rope, the one to make it the farthest distance before both fell would win. Which was Patrick who beat Dorian by just a couple feet.
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Post by Badalight on Dec 17, 2010 17:26:52 GMT -5
Also, that was a pretty poor performance by both of them, I must say.
I was really upset that Patrick seemed to give up when Dorian was initially beating him.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Dec 17, 2010 17:29:19 GMT -5
Sorry to steer away from the semis talk but yeah.. what? I think you ignore any ANW talk in chat lol Matt (the host) said that since we had no clear cut winner since neither got to the end of the rope, the one to make it the farthest distance before both fell would win. Which was Patrick who beat Dorian by just a couple feet. More the fact I remembered there was some system.. but completely forgot what it was and who won..
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Post by davidcampbell on Dec 17, 2010 17:53:43 GMT -5
If you know time is a factor.. Why would you take 15 minutes?... And really if someone needed to take 15 minutes on the course... They wouldn't even be close to the top 30 anyways... No offense... but put some more thought before you post bada... Do you know what you're talking about? David's suggestion was they should take whoever gets the farthest, simple as that. Time WOULDN'T be a factor unless 15 people finished the course. That's also a very ignorant and simply untrue statement rider. Are you saying Nagano doesn't deserve to be in stage 3 because he took a bunch of time resting on obstacles? No... It took him forever to beat stage 3 in 17. Also rider, think of the situations people could be in. What if you were the 30th person to run, and only 10 people had completed the course? Then time would NOT be a factor going by David's scenario of simply getting the furthest. Ok 2 things: 1. If you are #30 that means you had the fastest time in the prelims, so you don't need to take 15 minutes. 2. If you DID stop before the Salmon Ladder and eat a sandwich or something and then proceeded to clear the course in 15 minutes I think that hands down beats someone that couldn't do the Salmon Ladder at all. I think this subject has about run it's course here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2010 17:58:37 GMT -5
I think this subject has about run it's course here. Heh nice pun
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Post by cole77000 on Dec 17, 2010 18:01:34 GMT -5
facepalm/ But seriously the prelims and semis were great. The location was awesome. Finals... I think it would be just fine without the punishments and te face that they choose who goes. Doesnt sound like the crew treated the talent too well though based on davids posts.
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Post by Badalight on Dec 17, 2010 18:04:04 GMT -5
Do you know what you're talking about? David's suggestion was they should take whoever gets the farthest, simple as that. Time WOULDN'T be a factor unless 15 people finished the course. That's also a very ignorant and simply untrue statement rider. Are you saying Nagano doesn't deserve to be in stage 3 because he took a bunch of time resting on obstacles? No... It took him forever to beat stage 3 in 17. Also rider, think of the situations people could be in. What if you were the 30th person to run, and only 10 people had completed the course? Then time would NOT be a factor going by David's scenario of simply getting the furthest. Ok 2 things: 1. If you are #30 that means you had the fastest time in the prelims, so you don't need to take 15 minutes. 2. If you DID stop before the Salmon Ladder and eat a sandwich or something and then proceeded to clear the course in 15 minutes I think that hands down beats someone that couldn't do the Salmon Ladder at all.I think this subject has about run it's course here. Why didn't you do #2 David? It would've been awesome.
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